Any restaurant that has a drive thru. Also, the ones that don't have drive thrus but are set up like Subway.JohnG@lt wrote:
Define fast food.Turquoise wrote:
Proper as in "not fast food." I suppose it wouldn't be too much to ask a chain like Applebee's or Chili's to provide nutritional menus, but more local restaurants (and the fancier ones that aren't chains) probably would find this to be a bit burdensome.11 Bravo wrote:
what is a proper rest? i have seen kitchen nightmares......so tell me which ones are proper.
Granted, as you said, they could at least mention a few key things like "by the way, this has x amount of butter".
And why should they be singled out?Turquoise wrote:
Any restaurant that has a drive thru. Also, the ones that don't have drive thrus but are set up like Subway.JohnG@lt wrote:
Define fast food.Turquoise wrote:
Proper as in "not fast food." I suppose it wouldn't be too much to ask a chain like Applebee's or Chili's to provide nutritional menus, but more local restaurants (and the fancier ones that aren't chains) probably would find this to be a bit burdensome.
Granted, as you said, they could at least mention a few key things like "by the way, this has x amount of butter".
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, again, it's like what Drunk said.JohnG@lt wrote:
And why should they be singled out?Turquoise wrote:
Any restaurant that has a drive thru. Also, the ones that don't have drive thrus but are set up like Subway.JohnG@lt wrote:
Define fast food.
Nope. Not a good enough reason. Admit it, it's 100% a case of do gooders trying to save the stupid from themselves.Turquoise wrote:
Well, again, it's like what Drunk said.JohnG@lt wrote:
And why should they be singled out?Turquoise wrote:
Any restaurant that has a drive thru. Also, the ones that don't have drive thrus but are set up like Subway.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
unless they grow thier own stuff they get it from somewhere and can list what is in the food...Turquoise wrote:
Well, again, it's like what Drunk said.JohnG@lt wrote:
And why should they be singled out?Turquoise wrote:
Any restaurant that has a drive thru. Also, the ones that don't have drive thrus but are set up like Subway.
I'm surprised they haven't tried to ban 'fast food' like they banned alcohol back in the day, like they've banned drugs etc. Bunch of fucking morons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Considering that the average person lives a healthier lifestyle in places like France, I don't think it's really about class. It's about priorities.JohnG@lt wrote:
And I agree with you. Fast food has been demonized in this country. What it boils down to is class warfare and snobbery. People who go to 'real restaurants' are expected to be intelligent enough to know what they are doing while the poor need to be protected from their bad decisions by having their nose rubbed in the caloric content of their food. It's easy to be high and mighty when you're an activist housewife who has the time to go to the gym three days a week, has to look good for hubby or he'll trade her in for a new model, and who wouldn't dare set foot inside of a fast food place in case she is seen by her friends. For people who bust their ass all day, don't make a whole lot, and who just want to crash at the end of the day with minimal hassle, fast food is simply a cheap option. These aren't the people out protesting trans fats and the caloric content of the food, that's done by people who would never eat the food. They will never go after the food establishments that they themselves frequent. There weren't a whole lot of alcoholics in the temperance movement after all...
Culturally, we seem to put a low value on eating healthy and exercise. France was only able to achieve its healthier tendencies through cultural pressures. By the same token, if fast food becomes stigmatized, then people may actually start cooking more of their own food or going to restaurants that are more health-conscious (of which there are many). There are even fast food places that don't fit the stigma (like Qdoba and Chipotle), so it's just more proof that healthy food can be both tasty and profitable.
Either way, what is accomplished through movies like Supersize Me is a shift by some of the public away from the less healthy aspects of fast food. And, since you're such a fan of the market in action, places like McDonald's have responded to changes in customers' tastes because of these movies by offering food that is healthier than before.
For example, McDonald's no longer has any trans fats in its fries. It's very doubtful they would've moved away from trans fats in their fries unless a big stink was made about it beforehand (like it was).
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
You have an interesting way of looking at attempts to inform customers. Apparently, in your world, it's preferable that people be harmed by ignorance rather than to educate them so as to prevent harm.JohnG@lt wrote:
Nope. Not a good enough reason. Admit it, it's 100% a case of do gooders trying to save the stupid from themselves.Turquoise wrote:
Well, again, it's like what Drunk said.JohnG@lt wrote:
And why should they be singled out?
It depends on what food you're talking about. And, since exercise is more common there, that's less of a concern anyway.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
He clearly hasn't read the fat content on a hunk of Brie.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
French food is absofucking awful for you. The difference between them and us is simply that they eat their big meal at lunch while we eat ours at dinner. They get more time to digest it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Informing customers shouldn't be government dictated, especially when it's singling our certain businesses in an attempt to harm them and drive customers elsewhere.Turquoise wrote:
You have an interesting way of looking at attempts to inform customers. Apparently, in your world, it's preferable that people be harmed by ignorance rather than to educate them so as to prevent harm.JohnG@lt wrote:
Nope. Not a good enough reason. Admit it, it's 100% a case of do gooders trying to save the stupid from themselves.Turquoise wrote:
Well, again, it's like what Drunk said.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So people don't have a right to know what they're eating? Look, I'm all in favor of making restaurants disclose as much as possible, but the fact that fast food is "singled out" is not a good reason to end disclosure altogether.JohnG@lt wrote:
Informing customers shouldn't be government dictated, especially when it's singling our certain businesses in an attempt to harm them and drive customers elsewhere.Turquoise wrote:
You have an interesting way of looking at attempts to inform customers. Apparently, in your world, it's preferable that people be harmed by ignorance rather than to educate them so as to prevent harm.JohnG@lt wrote:
Nope. Not a good enough reason. Admit it, it's 100% a case of do gooders trying to save the stupid from themselves.
So require disclosure at the request of the consumer. If they want to know what's in their food, hand them a leaflet. Oh wait, that was already the law and wasn't good enough. Shit.Turquoise wrote:
So people don't have a right to know what they're eating? Look, I'm all in favor of making restaurants disclose as much as possible, but the fact that fast food is "singled out" is not a good reason to end disclosure altogether.JohnG@lt wrote:
Informing customers shouldn't be government dictated, especially when it's singling our certain businesses in an attempt to harm them and drive customers elsewhere.Turquoise wrote:
You have an interesting way of looking at attempts to inform customers. Apparently, in your world, it's preferable that people be harmed by ignorance rather than to educate them so as to prevent harm.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'll ask for a leaflet from the next restaurant I go to. I'll let you know if I get a menu or if I just get a funny look from the waiter.JohnG@lt wrote:
So require disclosure at the request of the consumer. If they want to know what's in their food, hand them a leaflet. Oh wait, that was already the law and wasn't good enough. Shit.Turquoise wrote:
So people don't have a right to know what they're eating? Look, I'm all in favor of making restaurants disclose as much as possible, but the fact that fast food is "singled out" is not a good reason to end disclosure altogether.JohnG@lt wrote:
Informing customers shouldn't be government dictated, especially when it's singling our certain businesses in an attempt to harm them and drive customers elsewhere.
You have the right to ask the chef what's in the food. If you go to a fast food restaurant you will be handed a leaflet. When I worked at Taco Bell ~1995 there was a stack of them to hand out to customers if someone wanted to know what the caloric content of the food was.Turquoise wrote:
I'll ask for a leaflet from the next restaurant I go to. I'll let you know if I get a menu or if I just get a funny look from the waiter.JohnG@lt wrote:
So require disclosure at the request of the consumer. If they want to know what's in their food, hand them a leaflet. Oh wait, that was already the law and wasn't good enough. Shit.Turquoise wrote:
So people don't have a right to know what they're eating? Look, I'm all in favor of making restaurants disclose as much as possible, but the fact that fast food is "singled out" is not a good reason to end disclosure altogether.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Fair enough about the fast food restaurants. However, I really don't think this is going to be an effective approach at the average "proper" restaurant. You might get a few general facts, but it won't be the same as a leaflet.JohnG@lt wrote:
You have the right to ask the chef what's in the food. If you go to a fast food restaurant you will be handed a leaflet. When I worked at Taco Bell ~1995 there was a stack of them to hand out to customers if someone wanted to know what the caloric content of the food was.Turquoise wrote:
I'll ask for a leaflet from the next restaurant I go to. I'll let you know if I get a menu or if I just get a funny look from the waiter.JohnG@lt wrote:
So require disclosure at the request of the consumer. If they want to know what's in their food, hand them a leaflet. Oh wait, that was already the law and wasn't good enough. Shit.
You'll get royally bitched out and probably not welcomed back but you could ask the chef for the butter content etc.Turquoise wrote:
Fair enough about the fast food restaurants. However, I really don't think this is going to be an effective approach at the average "proper" restaurant. You might get a few general facts, but it won't be the same as a leaflet.JohnG@lt wrote:
You have the right to ask the chef what's in the food. If you go to a fast food restaurant you will be handed a leaflet. When I worked at Taco Bell ~1995 there was a stack of them to hand out to customers if someone wanted to know what the caloric content of the food was.Turquoise wrote:
I'll ask for a leaflet from the next restaurant I go to. I'll let you know if I get a menu or if I just get a funny look from the waiter.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i love me some fatty french food. western euro food is generally fucking FAT as hell.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
Well then, that's not much of an incentive, is it?JohnG@lt wrote:
You'll get royally bitched out and probably not welcomed back but you could ask the chef for the butter content etc.Turquoise wrote:
Fair enough about the fast food restaurants. However, I really don't think this is going to be an effective approach at the average "proper" restaurant. You might get a few general facts, but it won't be the same as a leaflet.JohnG@lt wrote:
You have the right to ask the chef what's in the food. If you go to a fast food restaurant you will be handed a leaflet. When I worked at Taco Bell ~1995 there was a stack of them to hand out to customers if someone wanted to know what the caloric content of the food was.
Now, the one thing I will agree with you on is that, if you're really concerned about eating healthy, you're best off just cooking for yourself.
Granted, I know Ticia wouldn't like me to say that...
It's awful for you. French, German, British, Scandinavian (lol, they have no cuisine), Italian etc. It's all awful for you if you eat a lot of it.Cybargs wrote:
i love me some fatty french food. western euro food is generally fucking FAT as hell.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So then what is the point of forcing fast food restaurants to put the caloric content on their menu boards? It's not going to push poor people to cook for themselves.Turquoise wrote:
Well then, that's not much of an incentive, is it?JohnG@lt wrote:
You'll get royally bitched out and probably not welcomed back but you could ask the chef for the butter content etc.Turquoise wrote:
Fair enough about the fast food restaurants. However, I really don't think this is going to be an effective approach at the average "proper" restaurant. You might get a few general facts, but it won't be the same as a leaflet.
Now, the one thing I will agree with you on is that, if you're really concerned about eating healthy, you're best off just cooking for yourself.
Granted, I know Ticia wouldn't like me to say that...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Anything can be bad for you in excess, but like any cuisine, it depends on what you're eating among each. Not every French dish is fatty. Not every German dish is, and so on.JohnG@lt wrote:
It's awful for you. French, German, British, Scandinavian (lol, they have no cuisine), Italian etc. It's all awful for you if you eat a lot of it.Cybargs wrote:
i love me some fatty french food. western euro food is generally fucking FAT as hell.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
You can pick something healthy or something unhealthy out of most any cuisine.
I don't know about that. Imagine how different things would be if every school had a mandatory cooking class. Instead of just going with a generic home economics class, you could actually teach people to cook and eat healthy.JohnG@lt wrote:
So then what is the point of forcing fast food restaurants to put the caloric content on their menu boards? It's not going to push poor people to cook for themselves.Turquoise wrote:
Well then, that's not much of an incentive, is it?JohnG@lt wrote:
You'll get royally bitched out and probably not welcomed back but you could ask the chef for the butter content etc.
Now, the one thing I will agree with you on is that, if you're really concerned about eating healthy, you're best off just cooking for yourself.
Granted, I know Ticia wouldn't like me to say that...
If we did that in combination with making sure people were aware of the details of fast food, then I think we would be much healthier as a people.
but but but its so goodJohnG@lt wrote:
It's awful for you. French, German, British, Scandinavian (lol, they have no cuisine), Italian etc. It's all awful for you if you eat a lot of it.Cybargs wrote:
i love me some fatty french food. western euro food is generally fucking FAT as hell.11 Bravo wrote:
france? their food is jam packed with cholesteral and shit. you mad?
only really healthy cuisine is japanese. except you get mercury poisoning lel.