Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5351|London, England
Sometimes a local issue perfectly illuminates a larger national problem. Such is the case with the opposition of the New Jersey governor, Chris Christie, to construction of a new tunnel between his state and New York.

Christie argues that a state that is currently facing multibillion-dollar annual deficits cannot afford a huge new spending project that is already looking to be $5 billion overbudget. His critics argue that this tunnel is exactly the sort of infrastructure project that New Jersey needs if it’s to prosper in the decades ahead.

Both sides are right. But what nobody seems to be asking is: Why are important projects now unaffordable? Decades ago, when the federal and state governments were much smaller, they had the means to undertake gigantic new projects, like the Interstate Highway System and the space program. But now, when governments are bigger, they don’t.

The answer is what Jonathan Rauch of the National Journal once called demosclerosis. Over the past few decades, governments have become entwined in a series of arrangements that drain money from productive uses and direct it toward unproductive ones.

New Jersey can’t afford to build its tunnel, but benefits packages for the state’s employees are 41 percent more expensive than those offered by the average Fortune 500 company. These benefits costs are rising by 16 percent a year.

New York City has to strain to finance its schools but must support 10,000 former cops who have retired before age 50.

California can’t afford new water projects, but state cops often receive 90 percent of their salaries when they retire at 50. The average corrections officer there makes $70,000 a year in base salary and $100,000 with overtime (California spends more on its prison system than on its schools).

States across the nation will be paralyzed for the rest of our lives because they face unfunded pension obligations that, if counted accurately, amount to $2 trillion — or $87,000 per plan participant.

All in all, governments can’t promote future prosperity because they are strangling on their own self-indulgence.

Daniel DiSalvo, a political scientist at the City College of New York, has a superb survey of the problem in the new issue of National Affairs. DiSalvo notes that nationally, state and local workers earn on average $14 more per hour in wages and benefits than their private sector counterparts. A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.

These arrangements grew gradually. Through much of the 20th century, staunch liberals like Franklin Roosevelt opposed public sector unions. George Meany of the A.F.L.-C.I.O. argued that it is “impossible to bargain collectively with government.”

Private sector managers have to compete in the marketplace, so they have an incentive to push back against union requests. Ideally, some balance is found between the needs of workers and companies. Government managers possess a monopoly on their services and have little incentive to resist union demands. It would only make them unpopular.

In addition, public sector unions can use political power to increase demand for their product. DiSalvo notes that between 1989 ad 2004, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was the biggest spender in American politics, giving $40 million to federal candidates. The largest impact is on low-turnout local elections. The California prison guard union recently sent a signal by spending $200,000 to defeat a state assemblyman who had tried to reduce costs.

In states across the country, elected leaders raise state employee salaries in the fat years and then are careful to placate the unions by raising future pension benefits in the lean ones. Even if cost-conscious leaders are elected, they find their hands tied by pension commitments and employee contracts.

The end result is sclerotic government. Many of us would be happy to live with a bigger version of 1950s government: one that ran surpluses and was dexterous enough to tackle long-term problems as they arose. But we don’t have that government. We have an immobile government that is desperately overcommitted in all the wrong ways.

This situation, if you’ll forgive me for saying so, has been the Democratic Party’s epic failure. The party believes in the positive uses of government. But if you want the country to share that belief, you have to provide a government that is nimble, tough-minded and effective. That means occasionally standing up to the excessive demands of public employee unions. Instead of standing up to those demands, the party has become captured by the unions. Liberal activism has become paralyzed by its own special interests.

The antigovernment-types perpetually cry less, less, less. The loudest liberals cry more, more, more. Someday there will be a political movement that is willing to make choices, that is willing to say “this but not that.”

Someday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/opini … ef=opinion (login required to read the article, it's free)

Never thought I'd read something like this from the New York Times but hey, pretty fantastic op-ed. Unions should've never been allowed inside the government. Ever. Thanks JFK.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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they should unionize the military. shit hours, shit pay, shit living condition and shit food
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5351|London, England

Cybargs wrote:

they should unionize the military. shit hours, shit pay, shit living condition and shit food
The military is essentially already unionized, they just can't strike. They get all the benefits associated with it right down to bracketed pay scales and pension and health care for life.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6123|North Tonawanda, NY
A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.
Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5351|London, England

SenorToenails wrote:

A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.
Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
How can Buffalo suck so bad and yet Toronto is awesome?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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JohnG@lt wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.
Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
How can Buffalo suck so bad and yet Toronto is awesome?
especially in socialist canada.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6123|North Tonawanda, NY

JohnG@lt wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.
Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
How can Buffalo suck so bad and yet Toronto is awesome?
1- Buffalo is in NY, Toronto is not.
2- Buffalo started to die when the steel industry left and has been in its death throes the St. Lawrence seaway opened.  Apparently, Toronto didn't become big solely by manufacturing and shipping.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6398|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

A city like Buffalo has as many public workers as it did in 1950, even though it has lost half its population.
Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
How can Buffalo suck so bad and yet Toronto is awesome?
Better management.

But yeah, I am totally against public sector unions.

Also, I kind of feel like it would be a better approach to run the public sector more like the private sector in that there should be less emphasis on benefits and more emphasis on having a decent salary.  Pay your public employees well, but retirement should be a personal responsibility.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5351|London, England

SenorToenails wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:


Only half?  Wow, that's more surprising than the fact that it's mismanaged.  Hell, the county it's in (Erie) is horribly mismanaged also.
How can Buffalo suck so bad and yet Toronto is awesome?
1- Buffalo is in NY, Toronto is not.
2- Buffalo started to die when the steel industry left and has been in its death throes the St. Lawrence seaway opened.  Apparently, Toronto didn't become big solely by manufacturing and shipping.
Toronto is Canada's banking center afaik. Why would the St Lawrence seaway hurt it?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6123|North Tonawanda, NY

JohnG@lt wrote:

Toronto is Canada's banking center afaik. Why would the St Lawrence seaway hurt it?
Well, there was some shipping that went through Buffalo--either by rail or via the barge canal (lol)...but when the seaway opened up, container ships could just have a direct route to the ocean, thus bypassing Buffalo completely.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

they should unionize the military. shit hours, shit pay, shit living condition and shit food
The military is essentially already unionized, they just can't strike. They get all the benefits associated with it right down to bracketed pay scales and pension and health care for life.
What happens if they do?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5351|London, England

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

they should unionize the military. shit hours, shit pay, shit living condition and shit food
The military is essentially already unionized, they just can't strike. They get all the benefits associated with it right down to bracketed pay scales and pension and health care for life.
What happens if they do?
Go on strike? Ha, good question. They'd be shot by units that didn't go on strike I guess. Any attempt to unionize would at the very least be met by jail time.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

they should unionize the military. shit hours, shit pay, shit living condition and shit food
The military is essentially already unionized, they just can't strike. They get all the benefits associated with it right down to bracketed pay scales and pension and health care for life.
What happens if they do?
i think they'd be charged with mutiny or some shit.
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