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Who is more dangerous

Right Wing Nutters19%19% - 12
Islamic Extremists45%45% - 28
Christian End-of-Timesers3%3% - 2
Zionists17%17% - 11
Other - Elaborate or face eternity in a fiery hell14%14% - 9
Total: 62
Dilbert_X
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According to one of our older and crazier PMs

Hawke says fanatics the danger, not religion

RIGHT-WING "nutters" in the US are as dangerous as Islamic terrorists, former Prime Minister Bob Hawke said yesterday.
Mr Hawke was in Adelaide yesterday welcoming the new head of the University of South Australia's International Centre for Muslim and Non-Muslim Understanding, Dr Salman Sayyid.

Mr Hawke said religion was not a problem but fanatics of all religious persuasions were, and said he hoped the centre, which he has helped found, would be a world-leading institution for creating understanding and banishing ignorance.

"One of the greatest dangers to peace and stability in the world is this question of misrepresentation, misunderstanding, between the Muslim and non-Muslim world," he said.

"The difficulties of Muslim fanaticism are well established ... but never let us forget the equally dangerous fanaticism of extreme right-wing nutters in the US who inspired and sustained the President's unjust war in Iraq which killed and displaced hundred of thousands of people. Those fanatics are also dangerous. Our problem in the world are fanatics, people who misrepresent the great truths that underpin these great monotheistic religions."

Multicultural Affairs Minister Grace Portolesi said the "Muslim question" needed to be rationally discussed in the community. She said that, to date, too much debate was prompted by reaction to "crazy ideas" such as banning the burqa. "I am certain that this is not the number one issue facing Muslim women in Australia," she said.

"We will do everything we can to educate and inform the community in which we live, because this is the best way to limit fear, exclusion and behaviour that marginalises others."

Dr Sayyid, a UK academic and author, said people needed to learn a new, more adequate language in which to discuss Muslim issues.

"One of the key assumptions behind the centre ... is to accept that for better or worse more and more people around the world are addressing themselves and being addressed by others as Muslim," he said, describing it as a "wave of historical proportions". "I'd like to suggest  forgive me if it sounds stereotypical  that perhaps when confronted with a wave like that ... the best thing is to try to learn to surf."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout … 5938380292

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-10-13 23:24:50)

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pirana6
Go Cougs!
+626|4635|Washington St.
other: (ANY RELIGION) out-to-change-your-view-with-force-if-necessary-extremists

see: all extremists
i.e. crusades, islamic based terrorism, hitler, etc
Cybargs
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right wing nutters are just stupid nothing else. sure they have a lot of guns but all they do is bitch all day.
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Dilbert_X
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Cybargs wrote:

right wing nutters are just stupid nothing else. sure they have a lot of guns but all they do is bitch all day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
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FEOS
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Hawke is implying/flat-out stating that there was some religious tie to foreign policy decisions that led to the Iraq War, which apparently he disagreed with. He's off his fucking rocker. He's comparing broad political science categories like realism, liberalism, and idealism to religious movements and not even making distinctions.

Way to throw out emotion-based arguments, rather than dealing with facts.

Based on his initial argument involving religious extremism, Islamic extremists (Wahabbists specifically) are clearly the most dangerous out there right now, as they are the only ones who are really organized and acting on a coherent strategy based on their religious mantra.

Of course, Dilbert will argue "ZOMG Israel is a bunch of Zionists!" but there is plenty of evidence of Israel's government disagreeing with and siding against Zionist extremists.
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Spark
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He's off his fucking rocker.
Not an entirely misinformed reaction.
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~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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FEOS wrote:

He's off his fucking rocker.
Thats a given.
Based on his initial argument involving religious extremism, Islamic extremists (Wahabbists specifically) are clearly the most dangerous out there right now, as they are the only ones who are really organized and acting on a coherent strategy based on their religious mantra.
Trouble is, from the inside of the US political/military system you don't see the Christian loonball influence, its not just the Westboro Baptist Church, its way more pervasive than that.
From inside the average Pakistani madrassah no doubt they don't notice Islamist influence either.

Of course, Dilbert will argue "ZOMG Israel is a bunch of Zionists!" but there is plenty of evidence of Israel's government disagreeing with and siding against Zionist extremists.
Two steps forwards and one brief pause is still movement forwards.
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Acerider
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Cybargs wrote:

right wing nutters are just stupid nothing else. sure they have a lot of guns but all they do is bitch all day.
Yes. And those other groups don't really pose a threat, except Islamic terorrists on a bady day, and nly because they have military equipment in bulk and a network. But if you keep their population trimmed dowwn and keep em on a tight leash they pose no threat. In my opinion the biggest danger is an extremist who's brilliant at convicing others to convert to their way of thinking.
AussieReaper
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+5,760|4497|what

All extremists are dangerous. That's why they are called extremists.

Voted for Zionists though. Wanting to wipe out another race =\= the other groups trying to change a belief system.
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ghettoperson
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Belgian separatists.
AussieReaper
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The people's front of Judea.
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DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|4976|Finland

Greenpeace.
I need around tree fiddy.
jsnipy
...
+3,274|4867|...

Other - People who have money. They will do anything to keep it.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+1,966|3702|London, England
Other. Anyone who seeks power and control over others regardless of religious or political affiliation.

Yes Dilbert, that includes you, you control freak.

Last edited by [email protected] (2010-10-14 05:15:52)

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jord
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What man doesn't desire power?
Dilbert_X
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[email protected] wrote:

Other. Anyone who seeks power and control over others regardless of religious or political affiliation.

Yes Dilbert, that includes you, you control freak.
You have to put in place controls to prevent people gaining too much control - the US constitution is a control for example.
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Jay
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jord wrote:

What man doesn't desire power?
I don't desire power over others. I simply desire the power to control my own destiny with a minimum of government interference.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Dilbert_X
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[email protected] wrote:

I don't desire power over others. I simply desire the power to control my own destiny with a minimum of government interference.
Interesting, since you were in the military and part of the government interference and power projection system.
You want to have your cake and eat it basically.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-10-14 05:39:40)

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13rin
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jord wrote:

What man doesn't desire power?
I wish they'd reduce the rates here.  I'm shelling out 400+ a month for energy.  Outside the city my bill wouldn't break $100.

OT:  All fanatics are dangerous, but I voted for the Islamic extremists as they tend to be more violent as a whole.  They blow things up, kidnap people, lop off heads, are actually at war with my country and want me dead, etc.
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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

I don't desire power over others. I simply desire the power to control my own destiny with a minimum of government interference.
Interesting, since you were in the military and part of the government interference and power projection system.
You want to have your cake and eat it basically.
Means to an end. I used the government as much as it used me. Besides, I benefit every day from having a military to defend my home from invasion, I benefited no less while serving.
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Pug
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Mel Gibson is truth.

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ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|3733|Fuck this.
Christian extremists. Y'know, the Jesus camp Bush cut-out worshipers.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

He's off his fucking rocker.
Thats a given.
Based on his initial argument involving religious extremism, Islamic extremists (Wahabbists specifically) are clearly the most dangerous out there right now, as they are the only ones who are really organized and acting on a coherent strategy based on their religious mantra.
Trouble is, from the inside of the US political/military system you don't see the Christian loonball influence, its not just the Westboro Baptist Church, its way more pervasive than that.
From inside the average Pakistani madrassah no doubt they don't notice Islamist influence either.

Of course, Dilbert will argue "ZOMG Israel is a bunch of Zionists!" but there is plenty of evidence of Israel's government disagreeing with and siding against Zionist extremists.
Two steps forwards and one brief pause is still movement forwards.
The trouble is, you're so focused on a simplistic, jingoistic answer to a complex question that you can't be bothered with the actual answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_in … ons_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism … ons_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructi … _relations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism_% … lations%29

Read a bit. You'll see they don't have anything to do with religion. In fact, the doctrine most closely aligned with "right-wing nutters" is realism:

In the realist tradition, security is based on the principle of a balance of power and the reliance on morality as the sole determining factor in statecraft is considered impractical.
Which clearly pushes religion as a determinant of political decisions off the table.

The fact that people feel comfortable talking about their religion--or lack thereof (Charles Krauthammer, a noted neocon is irreligious)--is not indicative of that religion's (or lack of religion's) influence on their professional decision-making process.
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13rin
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Would Islamic extremists be farther 'right' then the religious rightt wingers on the political spectrum?
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13urnzz
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Would Islamic extremists be farther 'right' then the religious rightt wingers on the political spectrum?
obviously the would be to the farthest left, or fox news wouldn't report on them so much.

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