Opportunity costs are economic reasons.FEOS wrote:
I already said above that I have no issues with lifting the embargo. It's the stupid, illogical arguments against the embargo that I take issue with.Turquoise wrote:
That's still a good reason to end the embargo.FEOS wrote:
Those aren't wasted resources. Those are opportunity costs. Two different cost concepts.
Honestly, I never thought I'd be the one defending free trade against you.
There are no economic reasons for the embargo. Never have been. It is, has, and will be purely political in nature. It's not a free trade issue, and never was.
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.Turquoise wrote:
Opportunity costs are economic reasons.FEOS wrote:
I already said above that I have no issues with lifting the embargo. It's the stupid, illogical arguments against the embargo that I take issue with.Turquoise wrote:
That's still a good reason to end the embargo.
Honestly, I never thought I'd be the one defending free trade against you.
There are no economic reasons for the embargo. Never have been. It is, has, and will be purely political in nature. It's not a free trade issue, and never was.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
What political capital? Illogical grudges held by Cuban Americans?FEOS wrote:
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.Turquoise wrote:
Opportunity costs are economic reasons.FEOS wrote:
I already said above that I have no issues with lifting the embargo. It's the stupid, illogical arguments against the embargo that I take issue with.
There are no economic reasons for the embargo. Never have been. It is, has, and will be purely political in nature. It's not a free trade issue, and never was.
getting accused of loving communism lel.Turquoise wrote:
What political capital? Illogical grudges held by Cuban Americans?FEOS wrote:
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.Turquoise wrote:
Opportunity costs are economic reasons.
Pretty much...Cybargs wrote:
getting accused of loving communism lel.Turquoise wrote:
What political capital? Illogical grudges held by Cuban Americans?FEOS wrote:
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.
we owe china some money ....... we don't have the cash but we got some vintage military gear
obama is gonna get some hatin for this one.SEREMAKER wrote:
we owe china some money ....... we don't have the cash but we got some vintage military gear
not
You're expecting logic and political favors to go hand in hand?Turquoise wrote:
What political capital? Illogical grudges held by Cuban Americans?FEOS wrote:
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.Turquoise wrote:
Opportunity costs are economic reasons.
What color is the sky on your world?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
True... I guess it's kind of a lost cause really.FEOS wrote:
You're expecting logic and political favors to go hand in hand?Turquoise wrote:
What political capital? Illogical grudges held by Cuban Americans?FEOS wrote:
Those aren't the reasons for the embargo, and they aren't sufficiently large to outweigh the political capital gained by maintaining it.
What color is the sky on your world?
I'm not discounting that, but I think you're being either a little naive or stubborn in arguing that American tourism wouldn't seriously impact Cuba's economy.FEOS wrote:
It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I think US tourism to Cuba would explode, and that would definitely impact their economy.FEOS wrote:
They've had access to every other market in the world for the past 50-odd years and it hasn't made a difference. Raul and Fidel have both said it's their system that's failed, not external pressures. The whole "US embargo is killing Cuba" myth has been well and truly debunked. Many times over. Lifting the embargo won't change anything. The only thing that will change things in Cuba is a radical change in the Cuban governing system.
I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.
The asinine reason the embargo should be lifted is that it doesn't do anything and there's no reason for it.
No. That's the first rational argument for lifting it.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'm not discounting that, but I think you're being either a little naive or stubborn in arguing that American tourism wouldn't seriously impact Cuba's economy.FEOS wrote:
It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I think US tourism to Cuba would explode, and that would definitely impact their economy.
I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.
The asinine reason the embargo should be lifted is that it doesn't do anything and there's no reason for it.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I'd fly down there to find me some hot cuban
When I was in Puerto Rico I met a Canadian couple who were telling us about how awesome vacations in Cuba are. Nice, clean beaches and very cheap.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'm not discounting that, but I think you're being either a little naive or stubborn in arguing that American tourism wouldn't seriously impact Cuba's economy.FEOS wrote:
It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I think US tourism to Cuba would explode, and that would definitely impact their economy.
I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.
The asinine reason the embargo should be lifted is that it doesn't do anything and there's no reason for it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Just don't get in trouble with the law there or it'll take you months or years to escape. Like that kid who got in a car crash and didnt have a license or visa or something.JohnG@lt wrote:
When I was in Puerto Rico I met a Canadian couple who were telling us about how awesome vacations in Cuba are. Nice, clean beaches and very cheap.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'm not discounting that, but I think you're being either a little naive or stubborn in arguing that American tourism wouldn't seriously impact Cuba's economy.FEOS wrote:
It would add to the other tourism they already have. From every other country in the world. That's all. Sure, there would be an initial "ooh! I can go to Cuba!" bow-wave, but it wouldn't be sustainable, or enough to make much of a difference, tbh.
I don't have an issue with lifting the embargo. I have an issue with the asinine arguments for why the embargo should be lifted.
The asinine reason the embargo should be lifted is that it doesn't do anything and there's no reason for it.
just shut up paceAcerider wrote:
Just don't get in trouble with the law there or it'll take you months or years to escape. Like that kid who got in a car crash and didnt have a license or visa or something.JohnG@lt wrote:
When I was in Puerto Rico I met a Canadian couple who were telling us about how awesome vacations in Cuba are. Nice, clean beaches and very cheap.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'm not discounting that, but I think you're being either a little naive or stubborn in arguing that American tourism wouldn't seriously impact Cuba's economy.
The asinine reason the embargo should be lifted is that it doesn't do anything and there's no reason for it.
inb4the moderationstaffCybargs wrote:
just shut up paceAcerider wrote:
Just don't get in trouble with the law there or it'll take you months or years to escape. Like that kid who got in a car crash and didnt have a license or visa or something.JohnG@lt wrote:
When I was in Puerto Rico I met a Canadian couple who were telling us about how awesome vacations in Cuba are. Nice, clean beaches and very cheap.
Good, then the Chinese can get back to the important business of selling nuclear technology to Iran.
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Fuck Israel
transport that shit using our C130s.Dilbert_X wrote:
Good, then the Chinese can get back to the important business of selling nuclear technology to Iran.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo … 5940382934
(probs not, actually)