You were forced to learn certain things at school, right?JohnG@lt wrote:
So how were my decisions controlled by society today? I woke up, drove my girlfriend to work, came home, fucked around on forums for a few hours, went to class, took a nap, now I'm off to another class. Aside from the laws that I followed while driving, I didn't have a whole lot of contact with society at large.Turquoise wrote:
Every society makes decisions for you. It's only a matter of degrees.JohnG@lt wrote:
It's about controlling others and making their decisions for them.
I hate to say it... but you might be onto something there... lol... j/kIlocano wrote:
We better shut down the Stock Markets then.Turquoise wrote:
Some people really are massively stupid. Others are just grossly uneducated.cpt.fass1 wrote:
I don't understand, they say ok here is what you're borrowing and this is your monthly payment?
It's really not rocket science, and the main problem with everything is the Market tanking. That is the only reason this is a problem, if they could get away from the loan they'd be fine.
To prevent future disasters, it's best to set up a system where fewer people are taken advantage of.
I wasn't forced to learn anything.Turquoise wrote:
You were forced to learn certain things at school, right?JohnG@lt wrote:
So how were my decisions controlled by society today? I woke up, drove my girlfriend to work, came home, fucked around on forums for a few hours, went to class, took a nap, now I'm off to another class. Aside from the laws that I followed while driving, I didn't have a whole lot of contact with society at large.Turquoise wrote:
Every society makes decisions for you. It's only a matter of degrees.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's all about free will, isn't it?JohnG@lt wrote:
I wasn't forced to learn anything.Turquoise wrote:
You were forced to learn certain things at school, right?JohnG@lt wrote:
So how were my decisions controlled by society today? I woke up, drove my girlfriend to work, came home, fucked around on forums for a few hours, went to class, took a nap, now I'm off to another class. Aside from the laws that I followed while driving, I didn't have a whole lot of contact with society at large.
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.Turquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?JohnG@lt wrote:
I wasn't forced to learn anything.Turquoise wrote:
You were forced to learn certain things at school, right?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
centrally planned anything fails. you know why the chinese lack innovation? just look at their education systemTurquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?JohnG@lt wrote:
I wasn't forced to learn anything.Turquoise wrote:
You were forced to learn certain things at school, right?
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.Turquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?JohnG@lt wrote:
I wasn't forced to learn anything.
yeah but some people have the choice of not wanting to get ahead. tis all about choiceIlocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.Turquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?
I watched a bit of that Precious movie last night...Cybargs wrote:
yeah but some people have the choice of not wanting to get ahead. tis all about choiceIlocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.
Yes, but they have the free will to choose to follow the rules....Cybargs wrote:
centrally planned anything fails. you know why the chinese lack innovation? just look at their education systemTurquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?JohnG@lt wrote:
I wasn't forced to learn anything.
If we can't educate or control stupid people then surely it makes sense to regulate the smart and greedy people?JohnG@lt wrote:
Let's put helmets and pads on everyone as well. Never know when someone will fall down and injure them self. Your life must suck man, you spend so much time worrying about what others do and I bet you feel helpless because you think you're smarter than most and wish you could make their decisions for them so they won't fail in life. You can't soften life for people, it makes them even dumber and more lazy. In fact, it increases the number of stupid and lazy in society.Turquoise wrote:
Some people really are massively stupid. Others are just grossly uneducated.cpt.fass1 wrote:
I don't understand, they say ok here is what you're borrowing and this is your monthly payment?
It's really not rocket science, and the main problem with everything is the Market tanking. That is the only reason this is a problem, if they could get away from the loan they'd be fine.
To prevent future disasters, it's best to set up a system where fewer people are taken advantage of.
You can say 'free market blah blah blah' but that just leads to these mega-crashes which affect everyone.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Not exactly. There are plenty of options out there that don't have a college degree as a requirement. The whole "I need a college degree or I will fail in life" has been a tremendously successful piece of propaganda pushed by the colleges themselves and ultra-lazy HR departments. Start your own business, join a union, do whatever. College is not a necessity.Ilocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.Turquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I know people with PHDs living off government hand outs, and a few door up from where I live a plumber has his $1.5million mansion and 4 BMWs lined up outside.Ilocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.Turquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?
Nope, not a necessity. But the odds of succeeding (obviously, referring to in demand degrees) are far better than non-degree jobs.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not exactly. There are plenty of options out there that don't have a college degree as a requirement. The whole "I need a college degree or I will fail in life" has been a tremendously successful piece of propaganda pushed by the colleges themselves and ultra-lazy HR departments. Start your own business, join a union, do whatever. College is not a necessity.Ilocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.JohnG@lt wrote:
I voluntarily attend school and I voluntarily attend that class. I don't have to do either.
Hardly. A college degree just allows you to be a slightly higher paid zombie if you go the corporate route. Hell, you can make more money doing construction. A college degree means virtually nothing.Ilocano wrote:
Nope, not a necessity. But the odds of succeeding (obviously, referring to in demand degrees) are far better than non-degree jobs.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not exactly. There are plenty of options out there that don't have a college degree as a requirement. The whole "I need a college degree or I will fail in life" has been a tremendously successful piece of propaganda pushed by the colleges themselves and ultra-lazy HR departments. Start your own business, join a union, do whatever. College is not a necessity.Ilocano wrote:
But you have to if you want to get ahead in the world.
You'll never get rich working for someone else.
Does a person with a business degree have an advantage when starting their own company? Perhaps. It depends on how much effort the non-grad has put into studying the market, who he has as contacts etc. Book learning only takes you so far and the advice of those residing in the Ivory Tower generally does more harm than good when exposed to the real world. All a degree is is a piece of paper letting prospective employers know you can deal with the bullshit and mindless tedium that college entails.
I despise school. If I didn't have to go to class except for exams I wouldn't bother showing up. Professors bore me, stupid people in class asking dumb questions bores me, the rigidity of class schedules bores me. It's all a mindfuck but it happens to be a requirement for the P.E. test so I'm stuck.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
if you dont follow the rules you get your ass beat/shot. true story broTurquoise wrote:
Yes, but they have the free will to choose to follow the rules....Cybargs wrote:
centrally planned anything fails. you know why the chinese lack innovation? just look at their education systemTurquoise wrote:
It's all about free will, isn't it?
No it doesn't. The government trying to control the market is what leads to failure like we saw recently.Dilbert_X wrote:
If we can't educate or control stupid people then surely it makes sense to regulate the smart and greedy people?JohnG@lt wrote:
Let's put helmets and pads on everyone as well. Never know when someone will fall down and injure them self. Your life must suck man, you spend so much time worrying about what others do and I bet you feel helpless because you think you're smarter than most and wish you could make their decisions for them so they won't fail in life. You can't soften life for people, it makes them even dumber and more lazy. In fact, it increases the number of stupid and lazy in society.Turquoise wrote:
Some people really are massively stupid. Others are just grossly uneducated.
To prevent future disasters, it's best to set up a system where fewer people are taken advantage of.
You can say 'free market blah blah blah' but that just leads to these mega-crashes which affect everyone.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Yes, but by defying the rules, they're choosing to get beaten and shot.Cybargs wrote:
if you dont follow the rules you get your ass beat/shot. true story broTurquoise wrote:
Yes, but they have the free will to choose to follow the rules....Cybargs wrote:
centrally planned anything fails. you know why the chinese lack innovation? just look at their education system
It's a little of everything. Some of it was due to the government's intrusion. Some of it was just good old fashioned greed.LividBovine wrote:
No it doesn't. The government trying to control the market is what leads to failure like we saw recently.Dilbert_X wrote:
If we can't educate or control stupid people then surely it makes sense to regulate the smart and greedy people?JohnG@lt wrote:
Let's put helmets and pads on everyone as well. Never know when someone will fall down and injure them self. Your life must suck man, you spend so much time worrying about what others do and I bet you feel helpless because you think you're smarter than most and wish you could make their decisions for them so they won't fail in life. You can't soften life for people, it makes them even dumber and more lazy. In fact, it increases the number of stupid and lazy in society.
You can say 'free market blah blah blah' but that just leads to these mega-crashes which affect everyone.
Yeah, tell that to all the various MD's, Lawyers, and Psychiatrists.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hardly. A college degree just allows you to be a slightly higher paid zombie if you go the corporate route. Hell, you can make more money doing construction. A college degree means virtually nothing.Ilocano wrote:
Nope, not a necessity. But the odds of succeeding (obviously, referring to in demand degrees) are far better than non-degree jobs.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not exactly. There are plenty of options out there that don't have a college degree as a requirement. The whole "I need a college degree or I will fail in life" has been a tremendously successful piece of propaganda pushed by the colleges themselves and ultra-lazy HR departments. Start your own business, join a union, do whatever. College is not a necessity.
You'll never get rich working for someone else.
Does a person with a business degree have an advantage when starting their own company? Perhaps. It depends on how much effort the non-grad has put into studying the market, who he has as contacts etc. Book learning only takes you so far and the advice of those residing in the Ivory Tower generally does more harm than good when exposed to the real world. All a degree is is a piece of paper letting prospective employers know you can deal with the bullshit and mindless tedium that college entails.
I despise school. If I didn't have to go to class except for exams I wouldn't bother showing up. Professors bore me, stupid people in class asking dumb questions bores me, the rigidity of class schedules bores me. It's all a mindfuck but it happens to be a requirement for the P.E. test so I'm stuck.
But yeah, I know a few wealthy "construction workers", but they are the exception. I know more wealthy doctors and lawyers. A $1.5 Million house is slumming to them.
richest person i know was only a grunt at the aussie airforce. now hes a regional director of asia for a investment firm. i think what galt is saying education doesnt garuntee success. working for yourself always gets you payed a lot more too.
Depends, a degree is not much more than a superficial overview of a subject and proof you have an understanding of the fundamentals and can work from first principles if required, especially useful to deal with a new problem.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hardly. A college degree just allows you to be a slightly higher paid zombie if you go the corporate route. Hell, you can make more money doing construction. A college degree means virtually nothing.
You'll never get rich working for someone else.
Does a person with a business degree have an advantage when starting their own company? Perhaps. It depends on how much effort the non-grad has put into studying the market, who he has as contacts etc. Book learning only takes you so far and the advice of those residing in the Ivory Tower generally does more harm than good when exposed to the real world. All a degree is is a piece of paper letting prospective employers know you can deal with the bullshit and mindless tedium that college entails.
I despise school. If I didn't have to go to class except for exams I wouldn't bother showing up. Professors bore me, stupid people in class asking dumb questions bores me, the rigidity of class schedules bores me. It's all a mindfuck but it happens to be a requirement for the P.E. test so I'm stuck.
Low grade degrees, which don't fully cover the above, aren't much use.
(Professors are generally losers who can't function outside the educational system)
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Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
You say everyone is stupid and the professors bore you and I have to ask are they? Or isn't your overall poor attitude to blame?JohnG@lt wrote:
Hardly. A college degree just allows you to be a slightly higher paid zombie if you go the corporate route. Hell, you can make more money doing construction. A college degree means virtually nothing.
You'll never get rich working for someone else.
Does a person with a business degree have an advantage when starting their own company? Perhaps. It depends on how much effort the non-grad has put into studying the market, who he has as contacts etc. Book learning only takes you so far and the advice of those residing in the Ivory Tower generally does more harm than good when exposed to the real world. All a degree is is a piece of paper letting prospective employers know you can deal with the bullshit and mindless tedium that college entails.
I despise school. If I didn't have to go to class except for exams I wouldn't bother showing up. Professors bore me, stupid people in class asking dumb questions bores me, the rigidity of class schedules bores me. It's all a mindfuck but it happens to be a requirement for the P.E. test so I'm stuck.
Your college experience most of the times depends only on you, if you're interested in really learning and if you're smart enough you'll find higher education schools have the best tools.
But maybe you just need to enroll in a better school. I don't know.
As for becoming an entrepreneur I believe your vision of it is too idealistic and completely detached from reality.
Show me a plumber, electrician, construction worker, mechanic, blue collar charging $200/hr., and I'll show you a lawyer, surgeon, IT consultant charging significantly more.
meh ill show you bad lawyers and surgeons who fuck up all the time (thats why they make so much you know, their insurance)Ilocano wrote:
Show me a plumber, electrician, construction worker, mechanic, blue collar charging $200/hr., and I'll show you a lawyer, surgeon, IT consultant charging significantly more.