BF2S Forums 1.2 Jet missiles????

Hmm, this could be a bad thing, but I'll reserve judgement for when I actually try it out.

Piloting fighters in 1.12, I could merely dodge missiles from angry jetfighters chasing just by executing a neat series of manuevers that the missiles couldn't track with their own momentum. If DICE has turned AA into no-skill Unreal-like AVRiLs (only with a higher speed), I'm going to be somewhat irritated.

Are the days of dogfighting over?

Update: Hah. Looks like they are AVRiLs...damnit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIwheIX13_o (from the "Omfg. (aa)" thread). All the ground pounders will be jumping up and down like angry terrorists on airplane and grasshopper wreckage. AA is honestly a no-skill ordeal now. I just watched an AA missile perform a 90-degree to fly sideways against its own thrust to slam into me while I was flying straight down with afterburners engaged. WTF is that?

In 1.12, I had no problem taking out vehicles with AA. Just wait for their countermeasures to disperse, and poof. Now, in maps with AA planted all over the place, helo survivability will be nil...and to make things worse, TV range has been decreased, so you can't even resort to that. Forget taking out a chopper with a Vodnik now. Nerf launcher emplacements all the way...what a rip.

All fine and dandy for the groundpounders to cheer and yell "PAYBACK", but can you honestly say that this is a balancing change when aircraft were already so easy to take out? The only change I would have made would be to increase tank damage vs choppers, as one tank shell can easily take out an airplane. Other people can chant "REALISTIC," but since when is a missile changing directions against the direction of its thrust realistic? Maybe they should have given armor the "realistic" option of going into BF1942/VN-like artillery mode and firing from in-base.

Then I went into AA and sat there, not really paying attention, with a bowl of lasagna in my lap. I'd just hear a lock on and fire without looking at the screen. 4 times out of 5, I got a kill. Jets stopped trying, and it got very, very dull and boring for me. No challenge...

Have fun with your new noobtoobs.

*waits eagerly for a 1.21 tweak*

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-02-14 21:05:53)

i just got done a few rounds on Gulf of Oman.  after 3 kills by me using the Phalanx, no other pilot even dared come within range of the carrier.  it was great (and boring).  i locked on to one jet, fired one or 2 missiles before it got out of range and the 3rd after the lock was gone.  i see 1 x.  2 x's!  3 x's!!!   "BubbleGhost81 [USS Essex]  poorpilot"     SWEET!    its great.  takes about 5 seconds of direct phalanx to down a blackhawk and about 2-3 seconds of direct phalanx to down a plane.  AWESOME.

"In 1.12, I had no problem taking out vehicles with AA."

Congrats, you must have mystical powers.

shooting aam missiles at zero deflection, zero relative velocity shots on helicopters, half of the time you would see them pass directly THROUGH the target without exploding.

same deal with sams.

Do not even get started at how the j10 is apparently a "stealth" aircraft.

Not questionable lag misses. I'm talking about where the missiles contrails would track directly to the vehicle, stop at the paint, and then continue through the otherside.

Im not talking about shooting through the doors on blackhawks, either. I mean you'd see the missile pass through the tail rotor, the tail boom, the engine cowling and out the front of the helicopter.

It was laughable. 90% of the time I would have to slow down to stall speed and cannon them to death instead.

Skill SHMILL.  you're pointing and clicking.  not performing brain surgery.  stop being so high and mighty.

batman_psu wrote:

Skill SHMILL.  you're pointing and clicking.  not performing brain surgery.  stop being so high and mighty.

AA now involves pointing and clicking in a way that was never accessable to jets; you don't have to pay attention! Real nice balancing feature there, Scooter...

I can sit my grandma down at an AA station and just tell her to click the mouse buttons when she hears the speakers buzzing, and she will rack up kills. Meanwhile, some ace dogfighter will be left with the short end of the stick.

dracul wrote:

Just don't shoot at them while they're popping chaff.

It has nothing to do with chaff. The missiles CLIPPED THROUGH THE HELICOPTER > 50% of the time.

Never had that happen, but then I only have 6.5 hours and a 4:1 k/d ratio with AA (and no, don't just sit up on a hill and shoot at spawning infantry), so I might not have had the opportunity to experience that bug. But if that was the main problem, they should have just fixed thatm, instead of giving missiles a higher accuracy than quantum torpedoes. And I stand by my proximity explosion suggestion for at least a small amount of splash damage from an, ah, near-miss. Everybody would have been happy.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-02-14 21:17:07)

Air-to-Air missiles while dogfighting really need to be tweaked back a couple notches.  All that's required is to get behind an enemy jet, wait for their flares, and release your missiles.  Instant kill regardless of any manuever the pilot tries.  It doesn't even matter what angle/velocity the bogey is flying.  The missiles will make complete 180's to meet their target...  EVERYTIME. 

blah.

Never had that happen, but then I only have 6.5 hours and a 4:1 k/d ratio with AA (and no, don't just sit up on a hill and shoot at spawning infantry),

Congrats sparky, I have 45 hours of aviator and over 2000 kills.

Ground aa was meat before patch. A non-factor for anything other than infantry asking to be killed by any jet pilot with a clue.

It was a ground-target that lit up the vehicle indicator, could not dodge ,and offered no armor protection.
It was barely a nuisance to helicopter pilots. Your hand waving and exclamations to the contrary does not fool anyone.

Jet pilots would routinely win head-on-shootouts with the guns on the essex. ground AA that was massively more effective than the arse-in-the-wind SAM's.

Prior to patch it was easy to get 50, 60 to 1 ( or zero ) k/d ratios by repeatedly bombing spawn points on maps like wake.

they do tend to "juke" at pretty rediculous angles...

I was looking at the UAV once..and a dogfight crossed by and I swear I saw the missle trail looked like 2 year old took a crayon to my screen

i was and am all for making the AA better.
previous versions were a joke and it was nothing to even think about let alone fear, but the adjustments made are way over the top.
today i saw a missile fired from the essex miss its target due to flares and turn 180 degrees and kill a chopper that was flying over the island.
its not even close to a good thing. it now takes no skill and no thought to shoot down anything in the air and there is not alot even the best pilots can do about it.
shrugs....

Last edited by Hyper (2006-02-14 23:41:06)