I think this is the position of most Americans. You just don't hear about it in the media because there isn't much of a news story in it..Sup wrote:
If I were American I wouldn't object to mosques being built but I would object to the location where it is being built. I don't think the location is appropriate. It should be farther away from where the two towers stood.
True, insanity is not limited to Islam. Religion in general subjects humanity to a rather vast array of absurdities.Phrozenbot wrote:
When the Jewish Temple existed, only a Jewish high priest was allowed into the holy of holies. It was a commanded by God.
On the other hand, certain rules tell us quite a lot about the mental faculties of those who choose to actually believe and follow them.Jaekus wrote:
Just because one has their set of laws and rules doesn't automatically mean everyone has to do the same. I'm pretty sure I'm not really allowed to enter a lot of the Vatican..Sup wrote:
I heard the exact same thing, holy place where, only holy people are welcomed? Who are we then? I mean we were all made by (the same) God right? I haven't heard Christians forbid Muslims to enter their church (or other holy places) yet.Turquoise wrote:
Good question... The main excuse I've heard is that the whole place is holy. Wahhabists have a very strict interpretation of Islam that makes Mecca the sort of place where only Muslims are welcome.
Islam is ok overall, but Wahhabism/Salafism is pretty crazy in a lot of respects.
The Mormons also have some absurd rules similar to this regarding their churches.
All but the most devout Mormons are more laid back than that. The churches have become nothing more than a place to show off how nifty your family is, smile beatifically, engage in uneducated debate with semi-knowledgeable volunteer staff and arrange muffin parties.
Fair point... No religion other than Islam has managed to make an entire city off limits to those outside of the faith. That's going the extra mile for absurdity.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
All but the most devout Mormons are more laid back than that. The churches have become nothing more than a place to show off how nifty your family is, smile beatifically, engage in uneducated debate with semi-knowledgeable volunteer staff and arrange muffin parties.
Hence why you shouldn't let the clergy get in the way of your faith ... organized religion with priests and whatnot putting themselves above the people is clearly against Gods will if you interpret his words "correctly"
No God never wrote anything, no religious book is to be taken literally, it's the reading between the lines and grasping the ethics and moral that are important ...
If you read the stories in the bible or Quran or Torah etc etc you will find similar stories ... heck even 3/4 of the NT is so close in both wording and story-style it's clear they copied each other ... on some issues they even contradict each other in a way that grave translation errors tends to do ...
The OT bares remarkable similarities to the ancient texts from Mesopotamia ...
Basically it's the same God we all believe in, both Christians, Muslims, Jews etc etc etc ...
No God never wrote anything, no religious book is to be taken literally, it's the reading between the lines and grasping the ethics and moral that are important ...
If you read the stories in the bible or Quran or Torah etc etc you will find similar stories ... heck even 3/4 of the NT is so close in both wording and story-style it's clear they copied each other ... on some issues they even contradict each other in a way that grave translation errors tends to do ...
The OT bares remarkable similarities to the ancient texts from Mesopotamia ...
Basically it's the same God we all believe in, both Christians, Muslims, Jews etc etc etc ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
The moment an angry crowd protesting against Ground Zero mosque turns on man in a skullcap... because they think he is a Muslim
This is the terrifying moment a man is verbally abused because a crowd demonstrating against plans to build a mosque near New York's Ground Zero believe he is a Muslim.
The powerfully built black man who is wearing a type of hat similar to that worn by Muslim men is called a 'coward' and verbally abused by some opponents to the mosque.
Telling them that he does not practice Islam and that they 'don't know why I'm here', the man - identified as a carpenter called Kenny - is eventually saved by the intervention of two men.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … uslim.html
Funny Article. Shows the beginnings of the EDL (English Defence League)and other like groups.
This is the terrifying moment a man is verbally abused because a crowd demonstrating against plans to build a mosque near New York's Ground Zero believe he is a Muslim.
The powerfully built black man who is wearing a type of hat similar to that worn by Muslim men is called a 'coward' and verbally abused by some opponents to the mosque.
Telling them that he does not practice Islam and that they 'don't know why I'm here', the man - identified as a carpenter called Kenny - is eventually saved by the intervention of two men.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … uslim.html
Funny Article. Shows the beginnings of the EDL (English Defence League)and other like groups.
Both EDL and similar groups use "the cause" as justification to kick some ass, EDL is just a group of former hooligans looking for trouble scoring cheap "political" points with a very simplified view of things ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
I would agree with you, however my point is that a lot of people justify the EDL in a similar way.Varegg wrote:
Both EDL and similar groups use "the cause" as justification to kick some ass, EDL is just a group of former hooligans looking for trouble scoring cheap "political" points with a very simplified view of things ...
Sounds similar to an anecdote I posted in the old thread.mafia996630 wrote:
The moment an angry crowd protesting against Ground Zero mosque turns on man in a skullcap... because they think he is a Muslim
This is the terrifying moment a man is verbally abused because a crowd demonstrating against plans to build a mosque near New York's Ground Zero believe he is a Muslim.
The powerfully built black man who is wearing a type of hat similar to that worn by Muslim men is called a 'coward' and verbally abused by some opponents to the mosque.
Telling them that he does not practice Islam and that they 'don't know why I'm here', the man - identified as a carpenter called Kenny - is eventually saved by the intervention of two men.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … uslim.html
Funny Article. Shows the beginnings of the EDL (English Defence League)and other like groups.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I guarantee that none of those protesters had the courage to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan. Pussies.mafia996630 wrote:
The moment an angry crowd protesting against Ground Zero mosque turns on man in a skullcap... because they think he is a Muslim
This is the terrifying moment a man is verbally abused because a crowd demonstrating against plans to build a mosque near New York's Ground Zero believe he is a Muslim.
The powerfully built black man who is wearing a type of hat similar to that worn by Muslim men is called a 'coward' and verbally abused by some opponents to the mosque.
Telling them that he does not practice Islam and that they 'don't know why I'm here', the man - identified as a carpenter called Kenny - is eventually saved by the intervention of two men.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … uslim.html
Funny Article. Shows the beginnings of the EDL (English Defence League)and other like groups.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
If they are this angry, and are so convinced that all Muslims are their enemy, they should sign up for the military. Put their money where their mouth is.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So your saying the war is more about killing Muslims (for the soldiers), rather then actual "evil people" ?JohnG@lt wrote:
If they are this angry, and are so convinced that all Muslims are their enemy, they should sign up for the military. Put their money where their mouth is.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
lulz.
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How do you know some of them haven't?JohnG@lt wrote:
If they are this angry, and are so convinced that all Muslims are their enemy, they should sign up for the military. Put their money where their mouth is.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Agreed... although it's kind of similar to the Mohammed cartoon controversy. There was an older South Park episode with Mohammed in it that no one made a big deal about, but the more recent episode with Mohammed is the one that everyone shit a brick over.Mekstizzle wrote:
http://politicsreport.com/sites/default … ankind.jpg
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There are probably a good amount of people who joined the military after 9/11 specifically to kill Muslims. It's pretty scary to contemplate.DBBrinson1 wrote:
How do you know some of them haven't?JohnG@lt wrote:
If they are this angry, and are so convinced that all Muslims are their enemy, they should sign up for the military. Put their money where their mouth is.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
No, I never said that. Many of them actually believe that though. They sit in church and listen to their pastor rail against Muslims and their evilness.mafia996630 wrote:
So your saying the war is more about killing Muslims (for the soldiers), rather then actual "evil people" ?JohnG@lt wrote:
If they are this angry, and are so convinced that all Muslims are their enemy, they should sign up for the military. Put their money where their mouth is.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
lulz.
And Brinson, maybe a handful have, but anyone who has actually had contact with Muslims outside of story books knows they aren't all bad people. We aren't at war with Islam, we're supposed to be conducting a police operation to bring in Osama Bin Laden for trial.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Stupid, inaccurate cartoon to be honest. For fucks sake look at a map instead of a cartoon for facts. It as fucking ground zero as it gets.Mekstizzle wrote:
http://politicsreport.com/sites/default … ankind.jpg
*edit: G@al. I;m not against islam. Build a mosque where ever, just not on the rubble of the WTC. Actually this cleric has ties to CAIR which has ties to hammas.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Mob mentality like that isn't really what I call "opinion" when they're all following the herd. You can interchange the word opinion for demonstrate in that sentence.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which means they're not allow to have an opinion or demonstrate?
Edited for importance:
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So you know this because you left your home in Florida and visited the place? Have you ever even been to Ground Zero? If you had, you'd know that 3 city blocks is about a ten minute walk. That's hardly right on top of it.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Stupid, inaccurate cartoon to be honest. For fucks sake look at a map instead of a cartoon for facts. It as fucking ground zero as it gets.Mekstizzle wrote:
http://politicsreport.com/sites/default … ankind.jpg
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 31436.htmlJohnG@lt wrote:
we're supposed to be conducting a police operation to bring in Osama Bin Laden for trial.
After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.
The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban's deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of their military and communications assets.
-----------------------Mr Bush said. "We know he's guilty. Turn him over. There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt."
So how far away would it have to be for it to be deemed acceptable to society?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Stupid, inaccurate cartoon to be honest. For fucks sake look at a map instead of a cartoon for facts. It as fucking ground zero as it gets.Mekstizzle wrote:
http://politicsreport.com/sites/default … ankind.jpg
*edit: G@al. I;m not against islam. Build a mosque where ever, just not on the rubble of the WTC. Actually this cleric has ties to CAIR which has ties to hammas.
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Less than 2 football fields away.
Landing gear taken from the first plane that hit the towers which crashed through the roof at said sight.
Let's see some more fucking cartoons though.
Landing gear taken from the first plane that hit the towers which crashed through the roof at said sight.
Let's see some more fucking cartoons though.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.