LividBovine
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JohnG@lt wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

HollisHurlbut wrote:

Why does this fact detract from the credibility of the article?  Why does this fact make anything in the article less likely to be true?

Also, the law protects everyone, even people who discriminate.

She should have been allowed to complete her education.  And then be perfectly free to be fired from any school for not doing her job when she refuses counseling to a gay student.
Yes, but.

Funding could be an issue here though.  This is a public school and probably receives a fair amount of public monies to operate.  Should this affect the schools ability to say who can and cannot finish their education?  What if a private college (yes, still receive public funding) was to do the same thing? 

Most of the time, if not all, a private party or business should be able to discriminate at will.  In this case there is public funding, the school should not be able to tell her how to think.  Their job is to educate her, not police her thoughts.  If she leaves school and gets fired from her job because she is not performing her duties to the standard a business has set as acceptable, so be it.
You're ignoring the hit to the schools reputation that would come out of any high profile firing. A schools reputation is all that it has. Schools kick people out regularly for failing academically. This is no different.
Not ignoring it.  It is just not something the school should be too concerned with.  If she was to be fired in some high profile way, would the story include what college she went to?  Probably not.  Is she being fired for her lack of ability in her job, or her personal beliefs, which the school should have no say over?
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HollisHurlbut
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Phrozenbot wrote:

It was twisted to make the women look victimized. The article first states she was removed from graduating for her beliefs that homosexuality is wrong, then clarifies that she was removed because she refused to counsel homosexual clients. Her personal beliefs is one thing, but she apparently actively discriminated against others, unless I'm mistaken, and that is entirely a different thing. Eastern Michigan University was completely just in removing her from graduation. If she graduated, she most likely would have continued on this way, resulting in her termination. Do you not think she would then file a lawsuit against any school who terminates her? She has already filed suit against EMU.

My earlier comment was based on the articles clear lack of NPOV and how this was purely an assault on Christian's and their beliefs.
This argument is BS.  What she may or may not do at some point in the future with respect to her future job description is between her and her employer.  It is entirely possible for her to get a job at some private religous school that kicks out gay kids.  Her bias would, in that case, not be an issue.  She may, faced with a grim job market, put aside her biases toward gay kids in order to keep food on her table.  Even if her refusal to do a job she may be hired to do at some point would get her fired, that's no reason to boot her from her schooling.  In short, her stated intentions have no bearing on her mastery of the material and as such are irrelevant as to whether or not she has satisfied graduation requirements.

In my opinion, the reason for her expulsion was 100% because of her beliefs.  Was she failing academically? The article doesn't cite any evidence of such a failure.  If she was performing satisfactorily academically, there was no justifiable reason to kick her out.  It was discrimination, pure and simple, from a public entity.  I hope she wins.

...and never finds a job.

Last edited by HollisHurlbut (2010-08-02 22:03:52)

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