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2010-07-28 05:58:59
lowing
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime … _cntnt_rss

A sad story. Sadder still is, there is no mention of any hate crime here.

"Afterward, the pair went home, apparently so proud of what they had done they bragged to witnesses, saying they had robbed and "hurt" a "white boy," according to the court records."

I suppose any harsher treatment for this act because they were black  and they killed a "white boy"would be racist huh?



Another sad story, yet this one is "hate crime" emphasized, when the murderer does not come out make any racial claims.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/sou … index.html

http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/06/dragging.death.02/ <--------they are "considering federal hate crimes charges" in this sad story as well.



Another double standard that only white people can be racist and actually "HATE" another race so much as to kill a member of it".

Last edited by lowing (2010-07-28 06:15:52)

2010-07-28 07:40:59
lowing
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lol silence is golden after 40 views.
2010-07-28 07:41:34
Jay
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Fix your formating and people might respond.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-28 07:46:04
lowing
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Fix your formating and people might respond.
how so..

1 story then a comment. the second story follwed by another comment for comparison, then a conclusion. How else should I have done it?
2010-07-28 08:20:39
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
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Why don't you tell us which ones are the hate crimes?
2010-07-28 08:23:35
eleven bravo
Member
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poor white people.  the man keeps putting em down.
Tu Stultus Es
2010-07-28 08:27:50
13rin
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The entire notion 'hate crimes' is offensive to me.  It leads to the elevated citizenship status of particular groups.  In essence, yeah the man is now putting me down.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2010-07-28 08:31:44
ATG
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The police are criminal thugs.
2010-07-28 08:34:51
eleven bravo
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

The entire notion 'hate crimes' is offensive to me.  It leads to the elevated citizenship status of particular groups.  In essence, yeah the man is now putting me down.
if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Tu Stultus Es
2010-07-28 08:36:40
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The entire notion 'hate crimes' is offensive to me.  It leads to the elevated citizenship status of particular groups.  In essence, yeah the man is now putting me down.
if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Nope, because they are minors and not fit to make their own legal decisions yet.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-28 08:45:52
Turquoise
O Canada
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How this applies to Baltimore....

When a white man robs and stabs a black man and brags about it, it's a hate crime.

When a black man robs and stabs a white man and brags about it, it's a daily occurrence.
2010-07-28 08:49:04
Hurricane2k9
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baltimore fucking sucks, I'm embarrassed that of the few independent cities in the US that aren't in Virginia, one of them is Baltimore. The knuckledraggers who commit all these crimes bring the name of Maryland down.

Anyway it's a bit supportive of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished." Betcha the murderers are on food stamps and welfare and spend it on drugs and alcohol, while their victim was actually a contributing member of society trying to better the world. Thank god we still have the death penalty in Maryland.
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2010-07-28 08:51:03
eleven bravo
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JohnG@lt wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The entire notion 'hate crimes' is offensive to me.  It leads to the elevated citizenship status of particular groups.  In essence, yeah the man is now putting me down.
if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Nope, because they are minors and not fit to make their own legal decisions yet.
thats still a category of speech you are supporting that promotes protecting some forms of speech while restricting others.
Tu Stultus Es
2010-07-28 08:53:47
eleven bravo
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no separation of "hate speech" and "free" speech.  fine by me, but dont complain about flag burning, westboro babtist churches or double creampies during your childs morning saturday cartoon viewing.
Tu Stultus Es
2010-07-28 08:56:23
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

baltimore fucking sucks, I'm embarrassed that of the few independent cities in the US that aren't in Virginia, one of them is Baltimore. The knuckledraggers who commit all these crimes bring the name of Maryland down.

Anyway it's a bit supportive of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished." Betcha the murderers are on food stamps and welfare and spend it on drugs and alcohol, while their victim was actually a contributing member of society trying to better the world. Thank god we still have the death penalty in Maryland.
of course, being the still-sometimes-shitty state we are, they'll probably get 20 years or some weak sentence like that. I wish the state legislature would nut up and start actually punishing violent criminals.
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2010-07-28 09:07:01
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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The real hate crime is being committed by the City of Baltimore and the state of Maryland against their own residents:

Lavelva Merritt, 24, and John Alexander Wagner, 34, charged with first-degree murder in the stabbing death of Stephen Pitcairn, have lengthy criminal histories and have been passing through the region's justice system for years, seemingly without repercussion.


•Wagner pleaded guilty to a vicious assault on his then-girlfriend in 2008 and received eight years in prison, but the entire sentence was suspended. He was charged with violating his probation on four occasions, but each time a city judge ordered that the terms of his supervision remain unchanged.


•In April, Wagner was caught on city surveillance cameras robbing a man at a downtown gas station and was arrested at the scene after the victim gave a detailed account and identified his attacker. But the victim later got skittish and refused to cooperate. Prosecutors dropped the case.
Obviously the city hates its people because it doesn't do shit to protect them, and the state hates them as well because it continues to allow this asshattery inside its one big city.
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2010-07-28 09:11:36
13rin
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eleven bravo wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The entire notion 'hate crimes' is offensive to me.  It leads to the elevated citizenship status of particular groups.  In essence, yeah the man is now putting me down.
if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Wait.  What?  No.  I am against 'hate crime' legislation.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2010-07-28 09:26:11
Turquoise
O Canada
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eleven bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:


if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Nope, because they are minors and not fit to make their own legal decisions yet.
thats still a category of speech you are supporting that promotes protecting some forms of speech while restricting others.
All countries restrict freedom of speech to a point.  Granted, hate speech is very different from hate crimes.

You can speak your mind no matter how hateful it is as long as it isn't inciting a riot or threatening to harm someone.

Hate crimes are a bit different, because they attribute extra penalties to crimes specifically because things like racism are involved.  I would argue this is unnecessary, because all murder that isn't in self-defense, defense of others, or part of war is equally criminal.

The only things that should matter are whether the murder was by accident, premeditated, or a crime of passion -- all of which are of course covered by laws outside of hate crime legislation.   A premeditated killing that is based off of racism is no worse than a premeditated murder based off of jealousy.
2010-07-28 10:00:23
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:


if you truly believe in the market place of ideas, then you would have to allow shit like child porn to be legal too
Nope, because they are minors and not fit to make their own legal decisions yet.
thats still a category of speech you are supporting that promotes protecting some forms of speech while restricting others.
Sure, it's a limiting of the rights of minors. Should we grant the right to vote to two year olds? Will politicians bribe them with toys and candy?

Frankly, I believe in a poll tax. If you aren't paying taxes you shouldn't have the right to vote and thus have a say in how other peoples money is spent.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-28 10:46:55
Hurricane2k9
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JohnG@lt wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Nope, because they are minors and not fit to make their own legal decisions yet.
thats still a category of speech you are supporting that promotes protecting some forms of speech while restricting others.
Sure, it's a limiting of the rights of minors. Should we grant the right to vote to two year olds? Will politicians bribe them with toys and candy?

Frankly, I believe in a poll tax. If you aren't paying taxes you shouldn't have the right to vote and thus have a say in how other peoples money is spent.
So low income earners shouldn't have a say in things that will affect them?
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2010-07-28 10:50:18
Jay
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:


thats still a category of speech you are supporting that promotes protecting some forms of speech while restricting others.
Sure, it's a limiting of the rights of minors. Should we grant the right to vote to two year olds? Will politicians bribe them with toys and candy?

Frankly, I believe in a poll tax. If you aren't paying taxes you shouldn't have the right to vote and thus have a say in how other peoples money is spent.
So low income earners shouldn't have a say in things that will affect them?
If they aren't paying for it, they should have no say. Politics has become a game of buying the votes of the poor by promising to redistribute income to them that they haven't earned.

Of course, if a flat tax is instituted, everyone becomes a taxpayer But then, the government would have far more people holding it fiscally accountable and no politician wants that...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-28 10:59:21
Stubbee
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lowing wrote:

lol silence is golden after 40 views.
maybe people are tired of your rants. silence doesn't mean you are right though. it could mean they don't care about what you have to say anymore.

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2010-07-28 11:32:08
Turquoise
O Canada
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Sure, it's a limiting of the rights of minors. Should we grant the right to vote to two year olds? Will politicians bribe them with toys and candy?

Frankly, I believe in a poll tax. If you aren't paying taxes you shouldn't have the right to vote and thus have a say in how other peoples money is spent.
So low income earners shouldn't have a say in things that will affect them?
If they aren't paying for it, they should have no say. Politics has become a game of buying the votes of the poor by promising to redistribute income to them that they haven't earned.

Of course, if a flat tax is instituted, everyone becomes a taxpayer But then, the government would have far more people holding it fiscally accountable and no politician wants that...
Buying the votes of the poor still doesn't wield as much power as the rich buying candidates....
2010-07-28 11:37:08
Jay
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Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


So low income earners shouldn't have a say in things that will affect them?
If they aren't paying for it, they should have no say. Politics has become a game of buying the votes of the poor by promising to redistribute income to them that they haven't earned.

Of course, if a flat tax is instituted, everyone becomes a taxpayer But then, the government would have far more people holding it fiscally accountable and no politician wants that...
Buying the votes of the poor still doesn't wield as much power as the rich buying candidates....
Yeah? Who's more powerful? One rich man, with one vote or one hundred poor people with one hundred votes? For someone who claims a love of pragmatism and is a self proclaimed realist, you sure do let your cynicism cloud your judgement.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-28 11:42:28
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6403|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


If they aren't paying for it, they should have no say. Politics has become a game of buying the votes of the poor by promising to redistribute income to them that they haven't earned.

Of course, if a flat tax is instituted, everyone becomes a taxpayer But then, the government would have far more people holding it fiscally accountable and no politician wants that...
Buying the votes of the poor still doesn't wield as much power as the rich buying candidates....
Yeah? Who's more powerful? One rich man, with one vote or one hundred poor people with one hundred votes? For someone who claims a love of pragmatism and is a self proclaimed realist, you sure do let your cynicism cloud your judgement.
Uh...   so supporting a poll tax isn't cynical....?

Anyway, if you need proof of the power of lobbyism, just take a stroll down K Street.

You're so worried about the poor having too much power, yet the poor are among the least reliable of voting blocs.  One of the only groups less active in voting is college kids.

Your argument might work with the elderly continually pushing for more funding for SS or Medicare, but that's not just the poor pushing an agenda there.

The majority of pork in government goes to corporate interests -- that's where most of the power is, like with Wall Street.  The bailouts should be rather obvious evidence that big business has a much greater effect on our government than the poor.

 

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