Chou
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Bush was better.
Harmor
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Type "bush is a" in Google...
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6903|The darkside of Denver
What gets me is how the central banks no matter how bad things get are always in the position to gain more and more leverage. They create currency, lend it to everyone, the more debt they make the more they gain power really. It's like being up to your eyeballs to the biggest most powerful loan shark ever.

I just don't understand how we've allowed an institution to make money out of thin air and buy up the world with it.  Just like Thomas Jefferson said, eventually we'll wake up homeless on the streets while the bankers own everything. We'll essentially be serfs..

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Because we have been convinced that having a central bank would help stabilize the dollar, make it more fluid, and help correct/soften recessions or depressions.

The Federal Reserve couldn't possibly harm the economy, could it? If it can supposedly help the economy, could it also not hurt it? No, that's too simple.

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Harmor wrote:

Type "bush is a" in Google...
I like "Bush is a reptilian" one the best.
d4rkst4r
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cant believe lowing thinks Obama is a Marxism. Are you kidding me? In regards to his healthcare policy, its no where near Marx like policy. All he did was mandate YOUR choice of private health insurance.
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d4rkst4r wrote:

cant believe lowing thinks Obama is a Marxism. Are you kidding me? In regards to his healthcare policy, its no where near Marx like policy. All he did was mandate YOUR choice of private health insurance.
Last month lowing said he was a facist ... someone should make up his mind tbh
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Turquoise
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Chou wrote:

Bush was better.
...at screwing things up.
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

Chou wrote:

Bush was better.
...at screwing things up.
orly?  Pray tell then what exactly has the Bamster fixed?

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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6903|The darkside of Denver
Presidents are just political fallout boys.  They are simply there to take the political heat for the progression of the globalist agenda and the lowering of our standard of living.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6649|North Carolina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Chou wrote:

Bush was better.
...at screwing things up.
orly?  Pray tell then what exactly has the Bamster fixed?
Well let's see...   He finally brought a pragmatic stance on stem cell research into policy.  He explicitly stated that he will respect states' rights on the legalization of marijuana.  Instead of shunning timetables on the drawing down of troops in Iraq, he is pushing for more of a deadline for the Iraqi government to actually stand up for itself.  He is helping to push forward the end of the dysfunctional "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the military.  His healthcare bill failed to bring us socialized care, but it did succeed in closing up most of the loopholes that allowed insurance companies to deny people over "pre-existing conditions".

So far, none of his failings compare to entering a war over false or flimsy pretenses, so yeah, he hasn't fallen to Bush's level yet.
Phrozenbot
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Chou wrote:

Bush was better.
...at screwing things up.
orly?  Pray tell then what exactly has the Bamster fixed?
No where in that statement did I see Obama being proclaimed to fix anything.
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


...at screwing things up.
orly?  Pray tell then what exactly has the Bamster fixed?
Well let's see...   He finally brought a pragmatic stance on stem cell research into policy.  He explicitly stated that he will respect states' rights on the legalization of marijuana.  Instead of shunning timetables on the drawing down of troops in Iraq, he is pushing for more of a deadline for the Iraqi government to actually stand up for itself.  He is helping to push forward the end of the dysfunctional "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the military.  His healthcare bill failed to bring us socialized care, but it did succeed in closing up most of the loopholes that allowed insurance companies to deny people over "pre-existing conditions".

So far, none of his failings compare to entering a war over false or flimsy pretenses, so yeah, he hasn't fallen to Bush's level yet.
Wow!  What awesome accomplishments.  He's done sooo many great things.  How does he have time for so much golf?  Obama in 2012!  I'll give you the stem cell and bud arguments -that some wicked spin there on the surren er "timetable".  Gays in military -who really cares?   The socialization of health care is a joke and is going to cost the taxpayer dearly -socialized hc simply doesn't work.  You left out a few, my turn...

He's put the country so far into debt with fuck all to show, save thousands of "putting america to work" roadsigns.  His antics have made us weaker to our enemies and distanced our current friends.  Who cares about his gay military policy as he's shutting down bases.  Unemployment is wayyyy too high, but it's cool as he's extending benefits longer (don't worry, someone else will pay).  And jobs still die despite his claims of adding more -thats some colossal fail policy.  He's appointed activists/racists judges to the Supreme Court, but it's cool cause we all know a hispanic woman will reach better conclusion as opposed to some "old white guy".  He berates police... Meh, this is making me sick. 

The left's war intel accusation about Bush illustrates his class.  Much to my dismay, he didn't defend himself -he was above that.  I mean, I guess he should have take a page from the Bamster's book and gone after the media or private citizens (like Rush) any time someone said something not nice about him...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6649|North Carolina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Wow!  What awesome accomplishments.  He's done sooo many great things.  How does he have time for so much golf?
I don't know, ask Bush.  He spent more time on vacation during his tenure as president than any other 2 termer.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Obama in 2012!  I'll give you the stem cell and bud arguments -that some wicked spin there on the surren er "timetable".  Gays in military -who really cares?   The socialization of health care is a joke and is going to cost the taxpayer dearly -socialized hc simply doesn't work.  You left out a few, my turn...
What spin?  The timetable argument is completely valid, because Bush and co. shunned them under the excuse of "the enemy will just wait until we leave."  Well, no shit, Sherlock.  That's true no matter if you give a timetable or not.  Just refusing to give one is another way of excusing your lack of an exit plan.

The socialization of healthcare is a joke alright, but that's because Obamacare isn't socialization.  The Dems watered that bill down to a corporatist scam, so if nothing else, we'll probably agree that it causes more harm than help.  If it actually did socialize healthcare though...  it would fix a lot of our problems in terms of access and expenses.

Gays in the military --- anyone concerned about civil rights should care.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

He's put the country so far into debt with fuck all to show, save thousands of "putting america to work" roadsigns.  His antics have made us weaker to our enemies and distanced our current friends.  Who cares about his gay military policy as he's shutting down bases.  Unemployment is wayyyy too high, but it's cool as he's extending benefits longer (don't worry, someone else will pay).  And jobs still die despite his claims of adding more -thats some colossal fail policy.  He's appointed activists/racists judges to the Supreme Court, but it's cool cause we all know a hispanic woman will reach better conclusion as opposed to some "old white guy".  He berates police... Meh, this is making me sick.
I'll agree that the stimulus was the wrong call.  I'll also agree that the bailouts were the wrong call, but when it comes to the financial bailouts, both parties supported those.

Shutting down bases is a good idea if you actually want some smaller government.  Generally speaking, I approve of most major funding cuts -- military or otherwise, because it's rare that any party passes them.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The left's war intel accusation about Bush illustrates his class.  Much to my dismay, he didn't defend himself -he was above that.  I mean, I guess he should have take a page from the Bamster's book and gone after the media or private citizens (like Rush) any time someone said something not nice about him...
He didn't need to go after individuals.  The Patriot Act and FISA already did that for him -- not to mention renditions (all of which are still in play under Obama).
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

I don't know, ask Bush.  He spent more time on vacation during his tenure as president than any other 2 termer.
Record could fall, W. gave it up in '08 -which he caught crap for also.

Turquoise wrote:

What spin?  The timetable argument is completely valid, because Bush and co. shunned them under the excuse of "the enemy will just wait until we leave."  Well, no shit, Sherlock.  That's true no matter if you give a timetable or not.  Just refusing to give one is another way of excusing your lack of an exit plan.
Exit plans are a losing strategic mentality.  If a State is going to war it should fight to win, they should break the enemy.  Or don't go to war.

Turquoise wrote:

The Patriot Act and FISA already did that for him -- not to mention renditions (all of which are still in play under Obama).
The FBI & CIA just started doing that stuff when the patriot act passed?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6649|North Carolina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Exit plans are a losing strategic mentality.  If a State is going to war it should fight to win, they should break the enemy.  Or don't go to war.
I agree with the last part somewhat, but an exit plan is not a losing mentality at all -- it pushes forth some urgency to an operation.  If you don't have some sort of outlook for withdrawal, then there's no immediacy to what you're doing.  It's like having a very large project with no deadline.  At the very least, there should be milestones for withdrawal.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The FBI & CIA just started doing that stuff when the patriot act passed?
I didn't say that, but renditions were certainly more common under Bush.

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