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2010-07-02 15:22:36

#176

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

i don't need work experience because the (high)-school i 'graduated' from gives me better job prospects than you, anyway.

don't act like you were working those part-time jobs to build an impressive corporate resume; you needed money, i do not.

and if you aren't denying HS grads are pointless... i have to question... did you even read mine and usm's posts? jesus christ.

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2010-07-02 15:25:04

#177

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

yes I needed money, but I also needed somewhere to start. I'd much rather go into my first corporate job/internship with some experience, no matter what the job level is. I've dealt with customers, I've dealt with management and gotten myself raises because of my dealings with management, I've dealt with my union - all very basic things, but they will come in handy. You have none of those. So all of your opinions here, by YOUR LOGIC, are null and void. Because you have never worked a day in your life. My job sucks. I'm not denying it. Well, my two jobs actually. They're both fucking awful. But they are still jobs. Something you do not have. So kindly exit here ---->

2010-07-02 15:30:21

#178

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

my logic is that i can get a job at the same level and starting-salary as you, at the very least, even with your work experience. my point is that the rhetoric and 'grand' speeches and huge optimism of high-school graduation is all bullshit and complete fantasy- there's nothing realistic or pragmatic about it at all. graduating from an unspectacular high-school with an average reputation gives you the standard-level of work elligibility, nothing special or 'gifted' or advantageous. you are just another high-school graduate. in england, the school you went to matters a lot. a very lot if you went to the right sort of school. how are you not getting this point... anyway.

so kindly extinguish the pointless and lame ego-war here --->

Last edited by Uzique (2010-07-02 15:31:53)

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2010-07-02 15:31:41

#179

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

Uzique wrote:
my logic is that i can get a job at the same level and starting-salary as you, at the very least, even with your work experience.

so kindly extinguish the pointless and lame ego-war here --->

Of course. But I'm better prepared.

2010-07-02 15:43:04

#180

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6975|Tampa Bay Florida

Uzique wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
shahter youre such a russian peasant
i think his point is that if you take 'x' enjoyable activity/hobby and make it a compulsory job-like activity, it transforms into a 'y' category activity and some of the original enjoyment/enthusiasm is taken away. i don't think this is all that wrong - and it has nothing to fucking do with any political ideology, for a start - i think it's a psychological and sociological thing. for example: writing (or journalism). writing in the comforts of your home for enjoyment is a pleasurable hobby, a spare-time activity that one can enjoy to the fullest degree and fullest interest that one takes. when it becomes a job, and the pressures of the workplace, the stresses and demands of the workstyle come in - for example, having to meet a daily demand (of any unit, in this case, words)- the enjoyment diminishes a little. you're still 'doing what you love', but in a concentrated and forced, inescapable fashion that detracts a little bit from the original freedom, and hence 'enjoyment', of the thing itself.

clearer?

I can't remember now but there is a specific name for it in psychology.

If you enjoy a certain activity because of the aesthetic pleasure it provides (intrinsic motivation), and then an incentive is added (extrinsic motivation), sometimes people lose interest because they are no longer motivated by the happiness it gives them but by the incentive (in this case, $$$). As a result, they lose interest.

So, it's definitely true, the "do what you love" does not always apply....

Last edited by Spearhead (2010-07-02 15:43:36)

2010-07-02 18:52:35

#181

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7001

Spearhead wrote:
Uzique wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
shahter youre such a russian peasant
i think his point is that if you take 'x' enjoyable activity/hobby and make it a compulsory job-like activity, it transforms into a 'y' category activity and some of the original enjoyment/enthusiasm is taken away. i don't think this is all that wrong - and it has nothing to fucking do with any political ideology, for a start - i think it's a psychological and sociological thing. for example: writing (or journalism). writing in the comforts of your home for enjoyment is a pleasurable hobby, a spare-time activity that one can enjoy to the fullest degree and fullest interest that one takes. when it becomes a job, and the pressures of the workplace, the stresses and demands of the workstyle come in - for example, having to meet a daily demand (of any unit, in this case, words)- the enjoyment diminishes a little. you're still 'doing what you love', but in a concentrated and forced, inescapable fashion that detracts a little bit from the original freedom, and hence 'enjoyment', of the thing itself.

clearer?
I can't remember now but there is a specific name for it in psychology.

If you enjoy a certain activity because of the aesthetic pleasure it provides (intrinsic motivation), and then an incentive is added (extrinsic motivation), sometimes people lose interest because they are no longer motivated by the happiness it gives them but by the incentive (in this case, $$$). As a result, they lose interest.

So, it's definitely true, the "do what you love" does not always apply....

It's basically Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Well a job would satisfy you a lot more if you do it for intrinsic motivation rather than extrinsic...

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2010-07-02 19:19:03

#182

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,056|7057|PNW

Shahter wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Off topic, I didn't delete DST Chat.
lol. okay, one stupid post by me is fine, but the whole bloody DST Chat?

11 Bravo wrote:
i did. had enough of your shit already.

He had enough of my shit.

11 Bravo wrote:
13/f/taiwan wrote:
wtf happened to this thread?
moderation failure

Don't blame us when you throw your lot in with a flame war and we don't comply with every gripe and complaint because of it. It becomes a silly task to sort out a thread's history when a flame victim retaliates with flames of his own and someone expects a mod to do something about it. If I AWM/temp-banned one person, I'd have to AWM/temp-ban all participants to be fair, or else go through a dozen QQ exchanges over PM, so:

1) I'd rather not, since it didn't look like much of an escalation, and I don't want the reputation of ban-hammer for hire.
2) It should be enough for me to hit the thread with a 'settle down, Beavis.' And if it's 11's thread, he can proceed to save me the trouble and delete it himself.

2010-07-03 00:19:38

#183

nukchebi0: Пушкин, наше всё; +387|6609|New Haven, CT

Uzique wrote:
my logic is that i can get a job at the same level and starting-salary as you, at the very least, even with your work experience. my point is that the rhetoric and 'grand' speeches and huge optimism of high-school graduation is all bullshit and complete fantasy- there's nothing realistic or pragmatic about it at all. graduating from an unspectacular high-school with an average reputation gives you the standard-level of work elligibility, nothing special or 'gifted' or advantageous. you are just another high-school graduate. in england, the school you went to matters a lot. a very lot if you went to the right sort of school. how are you not getting this point... anyway.

So you could get a job in finance/consulting without going to a university as long as you went to a good-enough secondary school?

(Just curious.)

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2010-07-03 00:20:41)

2010-07-03 00:26:28

#184

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:
i don't need work experience because the (high)-school i 'graduated' from gives me better job prospects than you, anyway.

don't act like you were working those part-time jobs to build an impressive corporate resume; you needed money, i do not.

and if you aren't denying HS grads are pointless... i have to question... did you even read mine and usm's posts? jesus christ.

Apart from a few very, very narrow areas of employment once you've graduated from university the school you went to is of no interest at all.
Even then what matters more is which university you went to - and RHBNC is a long way from the peak.

The idea of which public school you went to being vitally important is a myth - perpetuated by public schools.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-03 00:30:28)

Fuck Israel

2010-07-03 05:44:51

#185

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

im going from direct personal experience here.

in lots of elitist and competitive job-places the sector of education and secondary-school you went to is very important.

may not be the circles you travel in or the jobs you're interested in... but that elitism exists, sorry.

my father and his brother are two direct examples, as well as many of my friend's parents.

it's extremely besides the point... anyway... i know 'myths' are perpetuated by schools - no shit - look at my posts to poseidon.

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2010-07-03 13:40:27

#186

13rin: Member; +977|6764

Honestly the 2 best job I had I didn't make more than $7.50 an hour.

First one was a boating store. That shit was a trip. We'd hog tie other employees for f'n up... Or lock em in a dock box. I got hog tied once. We tried to overthrow the manager one day (by force). Also would call other stores for shit that didn't exist. I often asked for serrated props and harpoons.. In store fast pitch baseball. Spend hours fixing the store only to trash it in 3 innings. Saturday post work island parties. Not being able to open the store on time for the entire staff beached the boat at high tide the previous evening.... Our store boasted the highest sales numbers, but eventually the company folded.

Second was a golf course. Some of the hours sucked, but it was equally awesome - driving the carts was a blast.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2010-07-03 16:31:01

#187

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7001

Uzique wrote:
im going from direct personal experience here.

in lots of elitist and competitive job-places the sector of education and secondary-school you went to is very important.

may not be the circles you travel in or the jobs you're interested in... but that elitism exists, sorry.

my father and his brother are two direct examples, as well as many of my friend's parents.

it's extremely besides the point... anyway... i know 'myths' are perpetuated by schools - no shit - look at my posts to poseidon.

Connections nigga.

2010-07-06 14:02:52

#188

cpt.fass1: The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n; +329|6981|NJ

Cybargs wrote:
Uzique wrote:
im going from direct personal experience here.

in lots of elitist and competitive job-places the sector of education and secondary-school you went to is very important.

may not be the circles you travel in or the jobs you're interested in... but that elitism exists, sorry.

my father and his brother are two direct examples, as well as many of my friend's parents.

it's extremely besides the point... anyway... i know 'myths' are perpetuated by schools - no shit - look at my posts to poseidon.
Connections nigga.

Yeah that's really sad, considering that from what I read Uzique doesn't have the drive that I'd want in an employee.

This is the problem with the job market out there, it's not a work your way to the top. It's the same as old school city states, but in the same matter it will probably end up getting bread out as well. Not that many people on the top, so pretty soon they'll be breeding retards just like the royalty of the old.

This also crushes the drives of more competent workers.

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2010-07-06 14:04:10)

2010-07-06 16:05:03

#189

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

the fuck are you talking about that i don't have drive

i'm just saying the neo-liberalisation of schools has created a social democracy with school-reputations and league-rankings. in england especially where there is a lot of class stratification (which runs through to education) schools have a 'prestige' associated with them that often places you discriminatively above other schools to employers. talking about pre-college level. it's nothing new, and it has fuck all to do with the personal drives, abilities and motivations of the students/prospective employees. it's just the reality of a socially democratic education system.

nice waste-of-time conjecture exercise, though. hope you entertained yourself!

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2010-07-06 16:48:52

#190

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

Seeing incompetent/lazy people parachuted into jobs alongside or above people who ARE competent/hardworking simply because of who their daddy is (this covers which school they went to) can crush peoples motivation.

Fuck Israel

2010-07-06 17:08:52

#191

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

well unfortunately that's the way the system works a lot of the time

not as if you can't send your own kids to independent-private or public schools and give them the same opportunities

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2010-07-06 17:40:16

#192

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6952

Uzique wrote:
well unfortunately that's the way the system works a lot of the time

not as if you can't send your own kids to independent-private or public schools and give them the same opportunities

But that would require work with income far exceeding the best tattoo master working only one week and then laying about for months on long consuming alcohol.

But hey, that's how society works. All about connections and using wealth and power to attain more wealth and power for yourself and your siblings. Uzique, your position in life didn't exactly come just by your own efforts.

2010-07-06 19:47:09

#193

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

Depends, from what I've seen the standard of education at private schools can be lower than a good state school.

Giving a kid a weak and irrelevant education and a sense of entitlement from the tie they wear can be counterproductive.

Fuck Israel

2010-07-06 20:38:18

#194

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,056|7057|PNW

Dilbert_X wrote:
Depends, from what I've seen the standard of education at private schools can be lower than a good state school.

Giving a kid a weak and irrelevant education and a sense of entitlement from the tie they wear can be counterproductive.

One year at sixth grade private school was inferior to the education I got at one year in public fifth grade. Tried home for a year, then went back to public, where after home, it only began to 'challenge' me at some of the 11th grade classes.

Recommendation: public school (if 'safe') + self-education. Drugs and abusive admins are all over the private school scene, and ffs, stay away from church schools.

2010-07-07 05:40:26

#195

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'm 29 years old and I've been battling depression for the last few weeks. I love life, I make good money, I can't really complain about anything socially or superficially but I feel like there's no future to the way I live. I work very hard, I take pride in what I do but I feel like I'm at an end. I am constantly disappointed with the peer interaction that I have. I work harder than my coworkers, I care more than they do (generally speaking) about my work and the overall direction of the company I work for, I put in time and effort but I am constantly put off by the lack of effort from everyone else. I have been working at my company for a little over 2 years and I have had 3 raises - but I don't care about that as much as I care that most of my peers don't give a fuck about what they are doing. I can't stand seeing and being around people that are ok with just doing enough to get by. It fucking eats at me every day.

Please prebuscent internet oracle, give me some transcendental advice.

Haven't read this thread but it sounds like you have a job you hate all together, with nothing really to do with everyone elses performance.

From what I read in your post, you are blaming your co-workers, for your misery. Truth might be, they have less to do with it, than the fact that your job is a paycheck and nothing more. You are not fulfilled, and you are not going find personal fulfillment in the performance of others.

Here are a few cliche's that really are steeped in truth and can be pitfalls. "The grass is not always greener on the other side", and "watch what you wish for, you might just get it".

2010-07-07 05:55:14

#196

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

"The other jartravartid's joopleberry shrub is always a more mauvy shade of pinky russet"?

Fuck Israel

2010-07-07 06:10:46

#197

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7001

Dilbert_X wrote:
Seeing incompetent/lazy people parachuted into jobs alongside or above people who ARE competent/hardworking simply because of who their daddy is (this covers which school they went to) can crush peoples motivation.

Then daddy's friend gets really pissed and fires you, probably never talk to your dad again unless your dad has shit on him lel.

2010-07-07 06:27:24

#198

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

dunno wtf you people are talking about to be honest. a whole lot of assumptive, conjecturing bullyshite.

nevermind, over to ken -->

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2010-07-07 06:28:30

#199

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7001

Thing is people will always trust a person that was introduced through a friend a lot more than some random, even with qualifications.

2010-07-07 06:32:30

#200

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

and what about the possibility of a friend with qualifications.

all you guys are assuming that privately educated people are somehow coddled through life and don't do well in any subject/area... how wrong.

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