there are studies that say thc might actually stimulate some form of brain cell regeneration.
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I'm simply relaying my experience and that of many professionals I've discussed it with - who don't have any particular agenda.
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Well that should give you some hopeeleven bravo wrote:
theyre are studies that say thc might actually stimulate some form of brain cell regeneration.
I don't doubt it may have medical use, teenagers self-medicating because they like it isn't one of them.
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i regenerated the fuck out of my brain as a kid - GG, meeleven bravo wrote:
there are studies that say thc might actually stimulate some form of brain cell regeneration.
furthermore all of clinical psychology is just a theoretical stab-in-the-darkUzique wrote:
in a technical sense all of those above-listed 'events' change personal psychology, drives, motivations and ambitions
the only drug that pharmacologically changes brain-receptor chemistry is opiates, hence why heroin is so addictive
THC... no. about as likely as caffeine to change your biological hard-wiring.
stop being so dumb on purpose, you claim to be an intelligent person at any other more convenient time.
cognitive behavioural therapies are one thing (and they are applied to help much more than weed-smoking)
but the overall 'diagnosis' of neurosis and mental motivations is fairly abstract; none of your psychologist friends could claim to conclusively 'proove' anything that they claim. it's based on anecdotal evidence, yes exactly, and what is more disparate and non-correlative than the human mind? every one is wired differently and lives, exists and finds happiness in many different things. apply a utilitarian principle, seeing as you seem so concerned with how these people integrate into society and effect you externally: are they really doing anybody else any harm, in the grand scheme of things? let men go and fish in ponds on their weekends, let women smoke all day to escape the stresses and anxieties of domestic home-life, let busy city-professionals unwind and/or escape with a joint or a line on the weekend. these people don't become zombies because they're indulging in certain chemical pleasures; there's no fundamental difference between a seratonin-high from 'x' drug, a dopamine high from sitting in with some chocolate and ice-cream to watch a film, or an adrenaline high from 'y' activity. they all elevate the mind from its usual state of ennui and intolerable boring normality, and the people themselves see personal benefits and instant pleasure/stimulation-rewards. let them be.
the social stigma against pot has existed since the very purposefully-engineered 'dirtying' of the drug in america, and later by refraction the UK/Australia, during the end of the hippie-era. that's when weed and LSD and mushrooms and all of these relatively-harmless drugs were condemned and public opinion changed (as a result of political/media engineering) to the negative-side. stop being a puppet for unfounded opinions - go apply some empirical testing to that which you preach .
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I've seen enough people start drinking, smoking etc - No real long-term personality change. Pot -> Their life changes.
They're my opinions, based on my observations, backed by discussions with others who've had extensive professional and direct exposure more so than me.
I think people should have pleasure in life, I don't think pot is a good thing on balance though.
They're my opinions, based on my observations, backed by discussions with others who've had extensive professional and direct exposure more so than me.
I think people should have pleasure in life, I don't think pot is a good thing on balance though.
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you must hang out with some pretty socially-backward pot smokers, then
maybe the people were psychologically pre-disposed to fall back or falter because of vice; pot is the symptom but not the cause? ever considered that? for some people, according to their mental make-up, their past, their psychological history and state-of-mind, their entire lives are precariously leading up to a crisis-event at which point they'll trip up because of some vice or lure and will crumble because they were never all that solid and composed, anyway.
i know plenty of successful, driven and intelligent people that enjoy an occasional smoke
no addiction, no personality-change, no life-failures
maybe the people were psychologically pre-disposed to fall back or falter because of vice; pot is the symptom but not the cause? ever considered that? for some people, according to their mental make-up, their past, their psychological history and state-of-mind, their entire lives are precariously leading up to a crisis-event at which point they'll trip up because of some vice or lure and will crumble because they were never all that solid and composed, anyway.
i know plenty of successful, driven and intelligent people that enjoy an occasional smoke
no addiction, no personality-change, no life-failures
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Well lets have a look.Dilbert_X wrote:
I went to Imperial, being uncool was not exactly uncool - the science-fiction club had the largest membership of the social clubs, where did I complain about other students exactly?Uzique wrote:
dilbert i could consider your posts trolling if it wasnt for the previous-posts in bf2s history in which you basically admitted you were the hopelessly uncool kid that found socializing hard. therefore i just think your whole anti-pot thing is more of a senseless bitter tirade against the kids at college that seemed to scrape by a-okay by smoking pot, going to frat parties and generally having a good time... whilst you sat in the background working away, having no fun.
What I have said is pot smokers tend to do less well than they could have - I wouldn't say being an unmarried father, working for your Dad's signwriting company and playing football in Wales is the pinnacle of achievement TBH.
I still think its pretty funny these numbskulls left a continuous trail of dope all the way from their house to the grow-house.
Dad still owns the company but now takes directions off myself and my sister. He owns the bulk of the shares, company is 98 years old, Ive been here for the last 18. Thats an achievement wether you say so or not, I couldnt give a rats ass. As you can imagine Im very proud of this and love it when Mollie works here in school holidays, cant wait until its full time.
Im lucky well no, its not luck, more skill that I didnt marry Mollies Mum, the womans a fucking nightmare, hence why Im un married. Marrage hasnt anything to do with achievement, Im only talking about that as you brought it up. I was just trying to point out Im smoking like a chimney yet far from a down n out. Im probably doing better than you to some degree, maybe you'd like a puff on my spliff? Do you some good I reckon.
I dont play football in Wales. I dont play it anywhere. In my time off I coach and play hockey, and play cricket, girls sports I agree, but I look lush in a gym skirt with gym knickers. Many of the kids I have taught have gone to to represent their countries. Im now starting to coach the kids of the kids I used to coach.
So as you can see some of your facts were wrong, way off the mark infact. The pinnacle of my achievement (not that its any of your biz) is Mollie and how I am a top top Father. No matter what I acomplish, this will always remain the highlight of my life.
So as my Russian friend would say Dildo; 'Fuckoffski Cuntski'
genuine sincerity grounded in personal happiness from '27
wild generalisations grounded in some irrational fear or social bitterness from dilbert
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wild generalisations grounded in some irrational fear or social bitterness from dilbert
1-0.
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I bet you stand out a mile?Dilbert_X wrote:
They're all intelligent, educated people who can think for themselves, and do have personal lives and opinions outside 'the establishment'.well, for a start all of your 'professional' friends are part of an establishment where it is only professionally-acceptable to condemn pot-use
Your last sentance is interesting.Dilbert_X wrote:
I've seen enough people start drinking, smoking etc - No real long-term personality change. Pot -> Their life changes.
They're my opinions, based on my observations, backed by discussions with others who've had extensive professional and direct exposure more so than me.
I think people should have pleasure in life, I don't think pot is a good thing on balance though.
I disagree with it, on balance pot is a good thing. Off balance its terrible.
You see an aggressive dog in the street, do you blame the dog or the owner?
You see a down and out on weed, do you blame the weed or the owner?
I blame the owner.
Our backgrounds are totally diff Dild, I reckon I have seen more people toking the ganj than you, 75% of them are bums, the 25% of us work our nuts off. All 100% of us would but some of them cant get a job - weed has got fuck all to do with that.
Wtf? Why am I even having this convo? Fuck sake Dildo you did it again.
Maybe, I'm talking about people who were otherwise doing fine, started pot and completely changed direction - in most cases who were smarter and harder working than me but who just stopped progressing.uzique wrote:
maybe the people were psychologically pre-disposed to fall back or falter because of vice; pot is the symptom but not the cause? ever considered that? for some people, according to their mental make-up, their past, their psychological history and state-of-mind, their entire lives are precariously leading up to a crisis-event at which point they'll trip up because of some vice or lure and will crumble because they were never all that solid and composed, anyway.
There does seem to be a difference depending on when people start, if they start as adults it seems to be much less of a problem.
No, like I said, ample personal experience comparison of notes with others with very extensive personal experience.wild generalisations grounded in some irrational fear or social bitterness from dilbert
One Welshman whose Dad gave him a job doesn't convince me otherwise.
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Again last sentance I agree.Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe, I'm talking about people who were otherwise doing fine, started pot and completely changed direction - in most cases who were smarter and harder working than me but who just stopped progressing.maybe the people were psychologically pre-disposed to fall back or falter because of vice; pot is the symptom but not the cause? ever considered that? for some people, according to their mental make-up, their past, their psychological history and state-of-mind, their entire lives are precariously leading up to a crisis-event at which point they'll trip up because of some vice or lure and will crumble because they were never all that solid and composed, anyway.
There does seem to be a difference depending on when people start, if they start as adults it seems to be much less of a problem.
But to a brand new member of bf2s who skips all the other posts straight to this one he or she or even heshe could be forgiven for asking:
What we on about?
Booze? Fags? Gambling? Porn? Weed? Heroin? Crack? Speed? Pills? etc etc
Its illegal, for a reason, but no body has ever died from it, no body.
you could hypothetically contemplate how, for example, the consumption and start-use of caffeine, or taurine, or alcohol, or tobacco ad infinitum blah blah...
... affects the 'outcome' of people psychologically. what does more harm to a person's mindframe, ambition and drive- drinking from age 14 or smoking pot from age 14? at that age both are symbols of the same thing: exciting, rebellious, fun adventurism and escapism. both probably have the same effect on a person's mentality, in a life-long sense. you can't prove one or the other any which way, anyway. all i can conclude from wasting time discussing it with somebody as unbudging as you is that i feel very sorry for you with the quality of pothead that you keep company with.
... affects the 'outcome' of people psychologically. what does more harm to a person's mindframe, ambition and drive- drinking from age 14 or smoking pot from age 14? at that age both are symbols of the same thing: exciting, rebellious, fun adventurism and escapism. both probably have the same effect on a person's mentality, in a life-long sense. you can't prove one or the other any which way, anyway. all i can conclude from wasting time discussing it with somebody as unbudging as you is that i feel very sorry for you with the quality of pothead that you keep company with.
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You could, however I've not seen cigarettes, coffee or chocolate cause people to drop out of uni - for example.Uzique wrote:
you could hypothetically contemplate how, for example, the consumption and start-use of caffeine, or taurine, or alcohol, or tobacco ad infinitum blah blah...
Not even alcohol actually.
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you conveniently omit alcohol, i notice
legal drug, socially accepted - socially encouraged, even
gg. my point is made.
and again... stop being so obtuse and thick on purpose... you're looking at SYMPTOMS and not CAUSES. perhaps the mountains of people that drop out of university because of 'stress', 'anxiety', 'depression' etc. are somehow affected by their lifestyles of casual caffeine or nicotine consumption? have you seen how strung-out and stressed, or in the opposite sense, how wired and hyperactive people can be when under the influence of these drugs? they're consumed every single day without a second thought - hell, lately ive been relying on coffee-shots and lots of caffeine to stay awake and read/study. does it add to stress levels and mental fatigue? definitely. you could make an equally-tenuous suggestion as to your pot-assumption that people constantly smoking like trains through their exams or staying up every night on the revision train with a pot of coffee were contributing towards their inevitable drop-out / crash and burn.
legal drug, socially accepted - socially encouraged, even
gg. my point is made.
and again... stop being so obtuse and thick on purpose... you're looking at SYMPTOMS and not CAUSES. perhaps the mountains of people that drop out of university because of 'stress', 'anxiety', 'depression' etc. are somehow affected by their lifestyles of casual caffeine or nicotine consumption? have you seen how strung-out and stressed, or in the opposite sense, how wired and hyperactive people can be when under the influence of these drugs? they're consumed every single day without a second thought - hell, lately ive been relying on coffee-shots and lots of caffeine to stay awake and read/study. does it add to stress levels and mental fatigue? definitely. you could make an equally-tenuous suggestion as to your pot-assumption that people constantly smoking like trains through their exams or staying up every night on the revision train with a pot of coffee were contributing towards their inevitable drop-out / crash and burn.
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Ya fucking Marmite you are dilbs. Daddy didnt give me a job I fucking earned it I did butt. Dis fucking stinction in I.T it was boyo thats better than a mutha fucking A mutha fucker. Same with my child, she aint got a free pass into here either she has to earn the right to work here.
Uzi aint Welsh and I dont think he works for his Dad Dild! If you was on about me, sorry boyo I wasnt trying to convince you of fuck all, as always, just saying it how it is.
Uzi aint Welsh and I dont think he works for his Dad Dild! If you was on about me, sorry boyo I wasnt trying to convince you of fuck all, as always, just saying it how it is.
I'm not talking about mountains of people dropping out of uni, I'm talking about specific people - anecdotally - who decided smoking dope and bumming around was a higher priority than getting a degree.Uzique wrote:
and again... stop being so obtuse and thick on purpose... you're looking at SYMPTOMS and not CAUSES. perhaps the mountains of people that drop out of university because of 'stress', 'anxiety', 'depression' etc. are somehow affected by their lifestyles of casual caffeine or nicotine consumption? have you seen how strung-out and stressed, or in the opposite sense, how wired and hyperactive people can be when under the influence of these drugs? they're consumed every single day without a second thought - hell, lately ive been relying on coffee-shots and lots of caffeine to stay awake and read/study. does it add to stress levels and mental fatigue? definitely. you could make an equally-tenuous suggestion as to your pot-assumption that people constantly smoking like trains through their exams or staying up every night on the revision train with a pot of coffee were contributing towards their inevitable drop-out / crash and burn.
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Maybe weed was a coincedance then? Seeing as people are going to drop out anyway? I aint stupid enough to ignore the fact it may lead to people dropping out but then, some people get bored and drop, some split up with the gf and drop, some are fed up, about to drop, score some wacky backy from Dave and end up fucking staying cos they like the new social life they just found by accident. Swings and round abouts. (Uk saying)Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm not talking about mountains of people dropping out of uni, I'm talking about specific people - anecdotally - who decided smoking dope and bumming around was a higher priority than getting a degree.Uzique wrote:
and again... stop being so obtuse and thick on purpose... you're looking at SYMPTOMS and not CAUSES. perhaps the mountains of people that drop out of university because of 'stress', 'anxiety', 'depression' etc. are somehow affected by their lifestyles of casual caffeine or nicotine consumption? have you seen how strung-out and stressed, or in the opposite sense, how wired and hyperactive people can be when under the influence of these drugs? they're consumed every single day without a second thought - hell, lately ive been relying on coffee-shots and lots of caffeine to stay awake and read/study. does it add to stress levels and mental fatigue? definitely. you could make an equally-tenuous suggestion as to your pot-assumption that people constantly smoking like trains through their exams or staying up every night on the revision train with a pot of coffee were contributing towards their inevitable drop-out / crash and burn.
right...
and that was totally the work of the devil-drug, and not as a result of their own personal mental-reasoning?
i guess those spliffs totally obfuscated their logical thinking faculties, and led them to a deranged and insane decision?
some people decide university isnt for them... so what? if they incidentally smoke weed as well, it's a tenuous link at best to suggest that it was the sole or major contributing cause. i have anecdotal evidence of people dropping out of university who were teetotal. there's no bloody correlation at all and you're just reading into things as you want to in order to further perpetuate your weirdly-unfounded harsh view of weed. i really don't know what drives you at times - getting behind your motivation for hating literature was pretty elucidatory and said a lot. as for weed? well, it's just the usual same-old bitter and narrow-minded dilbert, for now.
and that was totally the work of the devil-drug, and not as a result of their own personal mental-reasoning?
i guess those spliffs totally obfuscated their logical thinking faculties, and led them to a deranged and insane decision?
some people decide university isnt for them... so what? if they incidentally smoke weed as well, it's a tenuous link at best to suggest that it was the sole or major contributing cause. i have anecdotal evidence of people dropping out of university who were teetotal. there's no bloody correlation at all and you're just reading into things as you want to in order to further perpetuate your weirdly-unfounded harsh view of weed. i really don't know what drives you at times - getting behind your motivation for hating literature was pretty elucidatory and said a lot. as for weed? well, it's just the usual same-old bitter and narrow-minded dilbert, for now.
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Thats the 3rd time on the trot now Dilb that Uzi and I have said pretty much the same thing but in differnt ways. Now just cos us two say so it dosent make it right or wrong, I belive we are right of course, but hopefully this will open your eyes, make you realise, not to serialise, all the smoking guize.
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I'm talking about multiple people I knew personally, dope changed them. Didn't happen noticeably to the smokers and drinkers, only the tokers.
I couldn't care less particularly, some were friends, some weren't, the common thread was dope coincided with a dog-leg in their life - a view many people I've discussed it with have come to independently.
I couldn't care less particularly, some were friends, some weren't, the common thread was dope coincided with a dog-leg in their life - a view many people I've discussed it with have come to independently.
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Perhaps you just have problems getting ya point across, you knew them, personally but some wernt friends. I think your a troubled man, you have things on your mind. Step forward towards the light and lets see if we can get ya life back on track and have you heading in the right direction again.
Please ask us for any help you require. I dont mind skinning up for you.
Please ask us for any help you require. I dont mind skinning up for you.
sounds like your dog-leg'd friends needed some cocaine in their life to spice things up, as opposed to weed to placate them.
honestly the links are tenuous at best. any activity can be sought-out in order to deal with - or rather escape - from life's problems.
different causes, different symptoms, different treatments. you can't making sweeping statements about a drug and its users.
honestly the links are tenuous at best. any activity can be sought-out in order to deal with - or rather escape - from life's problems.
different causes, different symptoms, different treatments. you can't making sweeping statements about a drug and its users.
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i know lots of fuck ups that smoke weed. they also happen to do meth/coke whenever they could get their hands on it. always between jobs washing dishes or landscaping and in their mid 30's and still living with their moms. i really dont think weed had anything to do with them being losers.
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