Jay
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+2,006|5643|London, England
SAN FRANCISCO – In a tongue-in-cheek call for immigration reform, farm workers are teaming up with comedian Stephen Colbert to challenge unemployed Americans: Come on, take our jobs.

Farm workers are tired of being blamed by politicians and anti-immigrant activists for taking work that should go to Americans and dragging down the economy, said Arturo Rodriguez, the president of the United Farm Workers of America.

So the group is encouraging the unemployed — and any Washington pundits or anti-immigrant activists who want to join them — to apply for the some of thousands of agricultural jobs being posted with state agencies as harvest season begins.

All applicants need to do is fill out an online form under the banner "I want to be a farm worker" at http://www.takeourjobs.org, and experienced field hands will train them and connect them to farms.

According to the Labor Department, three out of four farm workers were born abroad, and more than half are illegal immigrants.

Proponents of tougher immigration laws have argued that farmers have become used to cheap labor and don't want to raise wages enough to draw in other workers.

Those who have done the job have some words of advice for applicants: First, dress appropriately.

During summer, when the harvest of fruits and vegetables is in full swing in California's Central Valley, temperatures hover in the triple digits. Heat exhaustion is one of the reasons farm labor consistently makes the Bureau of Labor Statistics' top ten list of the nation's most dangerous jobs.

Second, expect long days. Growers have a small window to pick fruit before it is overripe.

And don't count on a big paycheck. Farm workers are excluded from federal overtime provisions, and small farms don't even have to pay the minimum wage. Fifteen states don't require farm labor to be covered by workers compensation laws.

Any takers?

"The reality is farmworkers who are here today aren't taking any American jobs away. They work in often unbearable situations," Rodriguez said. "I don't think there will be many takers, but the offer is being made. Let's see what happens."

To highlight how unlikely the prospect of Americans lining up to pick strawberries or grapes, Comedy Central's "Colbert Report" plans to feature the "Take Our Jobs" campaign on July 8.

The campaign is being played for jokes, but the need to secure the right to work for immigrants who are here is serious business, said Michael Rubio, supervisor in Kern County, one of the biggest ag producing counties in the nation.

"Our county, our economy, rely heavily on the work of immigrant and unauthorized workers," he said. "I would encourage all our national leaders to come visit Kern County and to spend one day, or even half a day, in the shoes of these farm workers."

Hopefully, the message will go down easier with some laughs, said Manuel Cunha, president of the California grower association Nisei Farmers League, who was not a part of the campaign.

"If you don't add some humor to this, it's enough to get you drinking, and I don't mean Pepsi," Cunha said, dismissing the idea that Americans would take up the farm workers' offer.

California's agriculture industry launched a similar campaign in 1998, hoping to recruit welfare recipients and unemployed workers to work on farms, he said. Three people showed up.

"Give us a legal, qualified work force. Right now, farmers don't know from day to day if they're going to get hammered by ICE," he said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "What happens to my labor pool?"

His organization supports AgJobs, a bill currently in the Senate which would allow those who have worked in U.S. agriculture for at least 150 days in the previous two years to get legal status.

The bill has been proposed in various forms since the late 1990s, with backing from the United Farm Workers of America and other farming groups, but has never passed.
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This is pure win.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Hell of an OP you got there.
cpt.fass1
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I think most of our food comes from china. But I applied, lets see what kind of offer if any I get.

I'm a little hesitant to put my phone number down on a website I don't know

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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Ehh Done and done. Put on Resume for both places, Used my real name and email address. Let's see what happens.

Funny thing is, they're probably using this website to steal identities.

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SEREMAKER
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family has about 700 acre cotton/peanut farm in southwest GA ...... any takers
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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What you lookig for? I could probably find you some people looking for work.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6853|Mountains of NC

for this year nothing ... we have a house on the farm that usually rents out to the working family ... but this year the goverment has issued us a " no-grow " for the season

( they occasionly do this to keep prices on either cotton or peanuts from going down with a heavy supply hitting the market , they pay us just under fair market value on what our average crop would be )
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cpt.fass1
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That makes sense..
SEREMAKER
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+2,187|6853|Mountains of NC

it does but I wish we could have picked this year since for fall and winter GA had such a volume of rain, we expected a very good turn out on crops
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Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

This is pure win.
Fuck Israel
unnamednewbie13
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The harsh reality of the matter is that many Americans just don't want to work.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6960|Canberra, AUS

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

The harsh reality of the matter is that many Americans just don't want to work.
And as such should hardly complain.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Spark wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

The harsh reality of the matter is that many Americans just don't want to work.
And as such should hardly complain.
[video]http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259[/video]
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Spark
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+874|6960|Canberra, AUS

JohnG@lt wrote:

Spark wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

The harsh reality of the matter is that many Americans just don't want to work.
And as such should hardly complain.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259
It's so annoying, because that mentality is even worse here. The lazy shits don't understand that just because you happened to be here first does not exempt you from WORKING to get a job. If you want the fucking job, then fucking earn it - if someone works harder for the job then they'll get the fucking job because they'll be better at it, regardless of where they were born.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Spark wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Spark wrote:


And as such should hardly complain.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259
It's so annoying, because that mentality is even worse here. The lazy shits don't understand that just because you happened to be here first does not exempt you from WORKING to get a job. If you want the fucking job, then fucking earn it - if someone works harder for the job then they'll get the fucking job because they'll be better at it, regardless of where they were born.
But... but... taking pride in where you were born is the only thing keeping patriotism and nationalism alive... how could we live without those two foundational tenets of modern day life?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6960|Canberra, AUS

JohnG@lt wrote:

Spark wrote:

It's so annoying, because that mentality is even worse here. The lazy shits don't understand that just because you happened to be here first does not exempt you from WORKING to get a job. If you want the fucking job, then fucking earn it - if someone works harder for the job then they'll get the fucking job because they'll be better at it, regardless of where they were born.
But... but... taking pride in where you were born is the only thing keeping patriotism and nationalism alive... how could we live without those two foundational tenets of modern day life?
I don't have a problem with that, but really...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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Spark wrote:

It's so annoying, because that mentality is even worse here. The lazy shits don't understand that just because you happened to be here first does not exempt you from WORKING to get a job. If you want the fucking job, then fucking earn it - if someone works harder for the job then they'll get the fucking job because they'll be better at it, regardless of where they were born.
This.

Now, if we could come up with a sane immigration policy to allow all the workers we needed, legally, and let in those immigrants that actually wanted to be citizens and had clean criminal records. 


This country was founded by immigrants, and was very much built on the backs of successive waves of immigrants.
Ask the English, the German, the Polish, the Italians, the Irish, the Russians, the Mexicans..  etc etc etc

The problem isn't immigration. 

The problem is illegal immigration.

... with no controls over who gets in, no oversight to keep the criminal element out, not enough work permits for certain seasonal industries, and a hopelessly antiquated & glacially slow immigration system.

If they want to legally immigrate to America, have a clean criminal record, have someone willing to sponsor them for a definite job, and are genuinely interested in becoming a citizen of the USA (or a seasonal temporary work Visa), respect our laws, and make a reasonable effort to speak our language - more power to them.  On our side of it, the existing immigration system needs a massive rework, to get enough legal, law-abiding, employable, tax paying immigrants.

However... If you just want to hop the fence, pop out a few kids, thumb your nose at laws in general, and leech off the dole - fuck off, we're closed!  we're full up on shiftless freeloaders already born here!
unnamednewbie13
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The 'work for your job argument' is 100% valid. However, some of the complaints do have justified backing, due to differences in both cost of living and currency exchange rates.
Dilbert_X
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So, how do mexicans migrate legally or do summer work on farms?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-06-26 00:24:27)

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Benzin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So, how do mexicans migrate legally or do summer work on farms?
I assume there is a visa process, but the number of visas that they give out must be too low. Just an assumption. In Austria they have similar working permits for people that want to work on farms for a few months out of the year. You can make as much as you want, but you can only work for like 3 months and only during harvest season. I read the requirements a while back, but I can't remember them all now. There has to be a certain thing that is similar in the USA.

Australia also has a similar deal - I've seen these kinds of visas being advertised on student travel websites where you can go backpacking from farm to farm and use this visa to work and earn as much as you want. Pretty neat, actually.
jord
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CapnNismo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So, how do mexicans migrate legally or do summer work on farms?
I assume there is a visa process, but the number of visas that they give out must be too low. Just an assumption. In Austria they have similar working permits for people that want to work on farms for a few months out of the year. You can make as much as you want, but you can only work for like 3 months and only during harvest season. I read the requirements a while back, but I can't remember them all now. There has to be a certain thing that is similar in the USA.

Australia also has a similar deal - I've seen these kinds of visas being advertised on student travel websites where you can go backpacking from farm to farm and use this visa to work and earn as much as you want. Pretty neat, actually.
I researched this a few months ago and if you have enough fallback money to keep you alive and have the £120 for the work-travel visa you can work for up to 12 months. You can work a further 12 months if you get a good referance from one of the jobs you worked in your initial year, which is great. I'm still seriously considering it, I've tried to convince all my friends too but it's a hassle. I'll go by myself if they won't/can't, just need to save £3120 to be eligible.

They still have mining too, which is good money, and I like a bit of risk.
ghettoperson
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lol that's awesome. It's exactly the same situation in the UK, you get all the chav's on the dole bitching about Polish workers taking all their jobs, but the fact of the matter is they're lazy cunts that wouldn't take a job unless it involved them being paid to sit on their asses and smoke and drink all day.
Turquoise
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Well, there is a solution to all this and more.

End all social programs.  For those of you intent on keeping the border completely open, let the market dictate who lives and who dies.

Social Darwinism is very efficient, and farm workers from Mexico wouldn't be so defensive about being discriminated against by immigration laws if they had to compete with Africans that will work for even lower wages than they would accept.

See, if you let the market clear things completely, wages will have a race to the bottom.  Currently, Latin American immigrants are just lucky that they have two oceans keeping other immigrant groups lower in numbers.  Currently, they're the dominant immigrant group for labor because of relative proximity in addition to working for lower wages.

But as they become the dominant ethnic group in America, there will eventually come a point in time where their working class will have to compete with Africans and South Asians for work.  They'll complain the same, and this conflict will just continue onward, where the simple truth of the matter is that a global market completely open to all possible labor will keep wages at the lowest sustainable level.

We already see this with the way that Nike operates.  They move operations from one country to another as their workers eventually demand higher wages.  Entire local economies base themselves off of factories like theirs, and when Nike (or various other multinational manufacturers) see an opportunity for even cheaper labor, they pick up shop and leave for that area.  Meanwhile, the local economy that was dependent on that factory is fucked, because they didn't have the time or resources to diversify their economy.

The point is...   a completely open market only looks great on paper.  There are various market controls in place in most highly developed countries, so that a higher standard of living can develop from reinvestment.

In general, open markets work best when something tangible keeps them situated in an area for a long enough time to spark development, like with the oil industry.  If it's something not dependent on staying in an area (like the construction of a factory) or if it involves something easily replaceable (like unskilled labor), then an open market just renders people as ultimately expendable.

These migrant laborers might think that the market is fairly compensating them and that their competition is lazy, but they'd likely feel differently if their competition worked for even lower wages than they do.

Granted, that's not to say that I really care what our white rednecks think either.  The right-wing flag wavers are just as misguided in their anger and prejudices.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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I hate the sentiment that Americana's don't want to work. I really really do. Growing up I busted my ass, worked as a landscaper during the day, went to community collage and worked at UPS at night.

Don't tell me we don't want to work, if I could take a job as a laborer and make enough money to pay my bills I would in a heartbeat. But the problem is everyone saying we don't want to work make the employers want to look at this cheap(paying someone under the table is cheaper then paying there taxes) labor, then a hard working American. Also the next generation of kids coming out don't want to work because we coddle them to be these giant pussies, they can't even cross the road with out an adult there.

Oh and if we stopped catering to Illegals, maybe the trickle down effect would work.

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Dilbert_X
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Growing up I busted my ass, worked as a landscaper during the day, went to community collage and worked at UPS at night.
On min wage presumably?
I could take a job as a laborer and make enough money to pay my bills I would in a heartbeat.
Thats the thing, they don't have 3 cars, a speedboat and an umpteen thousand sq ft condo so they can do it for a low wage.
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