Jay
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Yes, we needed another thread

While defending his own policies President Obama has routinely been rude and sarcastic to his predecessor, George W. Bush. Yet Obama appears to be making the resident of the previous White House look like a genius compared to his own serious missteps in office.

Case in point – Interior Secretary Ken Salazar's performance and the communication of priorities on the issue of oil rig safety in the Gulf of Mexico.

It seems incomprehensible that the president and other members of the administration still have jobs when it is now being reported that the federal government was apprised by BP on February 13 that the Deepwater Horizon oil rig was leaking oil and natural gas into the ocean floor.

In fact, according to documents in the administration's possession, BP was fighting large cracks at the base of the well for roughly ten days in early February.

Further it seems the administration was also informed about this development, six weeks before to the rig's fatal explosion when an engineer from the University of California, Berkeley, announced to the world a near miss of an explosion on the rig by stating, "They damn near blew up the rig."

It's also now being reported that BP was asking for the administration's help on this matter long before the deadly accident and the now gushing well of tar.

Which leads me to some questions for the president. If I were in front row of reporters in the White House briefing room, here’s what I’d like to know:

1. It appears, Mr. President, that you were informed by BP about problems on Deepwater Horizon on February 13 and the company wanted your help. What did you say?

2. Given this new revelation,  Mr. President, how can you can sleep at night knowing that your inaction cost the lives of eleven men in Louisiana?

3. Did you inform the victims' families about these facts when you invited them to the White House for last month's photo op?

4. You've said, Mr. President, time and again, that the buck stops with you. Doesn’t that statement seem like something bordering on propaganda when you follow it up with what appears to be a false sense of outrage by telling Matt Lauer that you're looking for rear ends to kick?

5. Does the buck stop with you… or not?

6. Are you going to insist that Mr. Salazar step down from his post in disgrace and shame?

7. Will you hold another prime time television press conference and tell the entire truth to the American people? -- These would be the actions of a man who says that the buck "stops" with him.

8. I know when this news was breaking midday on Saturday about the latest BP developments that you and the Vice President were out on the golf course. Was it 39th or 40th time you've played a round in 18 months? (Just for a point of reference President Bush played golf 24 times in eight years.) Never mind, your priorities are for you to decide. At least until election night...

And now here's where I would not be able to stop myself from saying more...

It is one thing, Mr. President, to be forced to deal with unexpected circumstances and to have to deal with genuinely new problems. President Bush sure had to. He had to respond to an attack on our homeland that took the lives of 3,000 of our fellow citizens. But on his watch no other terrorist actions took lives of Americans on our soil, largely due to his steadfast leadership and willingness to accept no excuses on the matter.

But Mr. President, you seem to have very little leadership experience and it appears you have even less skill. Being a good dad and nice guy who sees the world as he wishes it to be is not exactly a resume of exacting leadership.

Your advisers have failed you and you have failed the American people on nearly everything we've asked of you.

Where you go from here is really your call, but you should consider two options if you genuinely love the country you work for and those of us you report to.

First, change your tactics. Second, appear to care. Attempt to engage and empower Americans who can and will go solve this mess.

Otherwise resign.

For the good of the nation, for your own children's future, change your patterns or change your path... but change!

You do remember that word don't you, Mr. President?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/ … n-change/#
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jaekus
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foxnews = lol
13urnzz
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Jaekus wrote:

foxnews = lol
*  You may post now
alexb
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Jaekus wrote:

foxnews = lol
Trotskygrad
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not sure whether you're flaming fox or obama, or both.
Turquoise
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Obama could cure cancer, and right wingers would still call for his resignation.
Stingray24
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Obama's resignation ... I support this
Poseidon
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JohnG@lt wrote:

It is one thing, Mr. President, to be forced to deal with unexpected circumstances and to have to deal with genuinely new problems. President Bush sure had to. He had to respond to an attack on our homeland that took the lives of 3,000 of our fellow citizens. But on his watch no other terrorist actions took lives of Americans on our soil, largely due to his steadfast leadership and willingness to accept no excuses on the matter.
Here's where I just started laughing.

It's one thing to blame Obama for this mess. Yes, his cabinet and he himself share a lot of the blame. But to not only compare his response to Bush's response to 9/11 but actually act as if Bush's response was BETTER (uh hi, OBL and #2 are still alive - most likely) is laughable. This is, ultimately, where Fox News fails every single time.

They actually had a good article going too.

Shame.
Jay
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Trotskygrad wrote:

not sure whether you're flaming fox or obama, or both.
A bit of both.

Call me naive but I think a time of tragedy such as this should not be used to score political points, but should instead bring us together. The political finger pointing over this accident is frankly disgusting.

Now, as for Fox... The president is not omnipotent, but they sure seem to be taking the side of those that wish it to be otherwise. For a group of people that constantly rants and raves about small government to now belittle and attack the president because he doesn't have total control over the economy, and can't shut down an oil well on a whim is... dangerously contradictory. Articles like this are the reason people have become so dependent on the government. It just feeds into the all powerful image (myth) that politicians have cultivated for themselves over the last century.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

not sure whether you're flaming fox or obama, or both.
A bit of both.

Call me naive but I think a time of tragedy such as this should not be used to score political points, but should instead bring us together. The political finger pointing over this accident is frankly disgusting.
I used to feel this way until I noticed that when we "come together", we usually pass some really stupid shit -- like the Patriot Act.  FISA was a mistake as well.

Now, I think it doesn't really matter.  There will either be finger pointing or unifying in such a way that power is abused.  Either way, the people get fucked.  That's just the way the system works.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Now, as for Fox... The president is not omnipotent, but they sure seem to be taking the side of those that wish it to be otherwise. For a group of people that constantly rants and raves about small government to now belittle and attack the president because he doesn't have total control over the economy, and can't shut down an oil well on a whim is... dangerously contradictory. Articles like this are the reason people have become so dependent on the government. It just feeds into the all powerful image (myth) that politicians have cultivated for themselves over the last century.
Yep.  This is why I have no hope for bipartisan progress in America, because our partisanship (on both sides) is fucking ridiculous.  You don't see this level of bickering in places like Canada.
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Turquoise wrote:

Obama could cure cancer, and right wingers would still call for his resignation.
I highly doubt that, it is just "conservatives", and I say that very lightly, are not afraid to confront a Democratic President. Fox was not nearly as harsh on Bush as they are on Obama. Obama knew better however, so they expect more.
Spark
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Lolfox. See why a lot of people here don't trust it at all?
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Turquoise
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Phrozenbot wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Obama could cure cancer, and right wingers would still call for his resignation.
I highly doubt that, it is just "conservatives", and I say that very lightly, are not afraid to confront a Democratic President. Fox was not nearly as harsh on Bush as they are on Obama. Obama knew better however, so they expect more.
True.  There are plenty of people in the middle that go with the flow.  The majority of the public that actually somewhat follows politics does this.  They adored him when he was a fresh face, and now they hate him, because complaining is what Americans do best.

People bitch plenty, but few people actually have solutions -- whether we're talking people in government or otherwise.
Poseidon
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

not sure whether you're flaming fox or obama, or both.
A bit of both.

Call me naive but I think a time of tragedy such as this should not be used to score political points, but should instead bring us together. The political finger pointing over this accident is frankly disgusting.

Now, as for Fox... The president is not omnipotent, but they sure seem to be taking the side of those that wish it to be otherwise. For a group of people that constantly rants and raves about small government to now belittle and attack the president because he doesn't have total control over the economy, and can't shut down an oil well on a whim is... dangerously contradictory. Articles like this are the reason people have become so dependent on the government. It just feeds into the all powerful image (myth) that politicians have cultivated for themselves over the last century.
They're also the people who cry for deregulation.
Phrozenbot
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Turquoise wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Obama could cure cancer, and right wingers would still call for his resignation.
I highly doubt that, it is just "conservatives", and I say that very lightly, are not afraid to confront a Democratic President. Fox was not nearly as harsh on Bush as they are on Obama. Obama knew better however, so they expect more.
True.  There are plenty of people in the middle that go with the flow.  The majority of the public that actually somewhat follows politics does this.  They adored him when he was a fresh face, and now they hate him, because complaining is what Americans do best.

People bitch plenty, but few people actually have solutions -- whether we're talking people in government or otherwise.
Indeed, and I am going to say truthfully that this is completely stupid from fox news. If they asked Bush to step down for his utter failures, we would know this isn't partisanship over principle.

It is though.
Jay
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Phrozenbot wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:


I highly doubt that, it is just "conservatives", and I say that very lightly, are not afraid to confront a Democratic President. Fox was not nearly as harsh on Bush as they are on Obama. Obama knew better however, so they expect more.
True.  There are plenty of people in the middle that go with the flow.  The majority of the public that actually somewhat follows politics does this.  They adored him when he was a fresh face, and now they hate him, because complaining is what Americans do best.

People bitch plenty, but few people actually have solutions -- whether we're talking people in government or otherwise.
Indeed, and I am going to say truthfully that this is completely stupid from fox news. If they asked Bush to step down for his utter failures, we would know this isn't partisanship over principle.

It is though.
But they are 'Fair and Balanced'
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Phrozenbot
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Someone here once explained the meaning was because they provide a "conservative" flavor to balance out the news media, in all seriousness apparently. (You know who you are!)
ATG
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Jaekus wrote:

foxnews = lol
You guys are seriously simple.

You posts a OPINION piece and call it news.


MSNBC has an opinion page.

This is thread is garbage.
Jay
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+2,006|5643|London, England

ATG wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

foxnews = lol
You guys are seriously simple.

You posts a OPINION piece and call it news.


MSNBC has an opinion page.

This is thread is garbage.
Lawl, compared to your conspiracy theory threads, this one is the fucking Mona Lisa.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Phrozenbot
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lol

You sound like a rank and file 'publican to me ATG, but you ain't. I like yer spirit.

Right?
Dilbert_X
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Why anyone pays any attention to Fox, apart from for entertainment, is beyond me.

If Obama should resign over Deepwater then Bush should have resigned over 9/11 - given he actually had warnings about it.
Fuck Israel
ATG
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ATG wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

foxnews = lol
You guys are seriously simple.

You posts a OPINION piece and call it news.


MSNBC has an opinion page.

This is thread is garbage.
Lawl, compared to your conspiracy theory threads, this one is the fucking Mona Lisa.
I submit that you are too ignorant to know the difference between an op-ed piece and something broadcast as news.

I did not stake a claim or an opinion in the BP thread; I said somethings stinks and that something may be as simple as GS.


YOU however, post this, as something FOXNEWS put out as news, when it is from the opinion section. That makes you look like a moron.


But carry on, it is a free country. I do it all the time.
Reciprocity
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EVERYTHING from FOX is opinion.  If you want news, watch the newshour.  If you want your own opinion reinforced watch FOX or MSNBC.
ATG
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Reciprocity wrote:

EVERYTHING from FOX is opinion.  If you want news, watch the newshour.  If you want your own opinion reinforced watch FOX or MSNBC.
Two links I would like you to view;

http://www.google.com/search?q=newshour … =firefox-a

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&h … p;gs_rfai=
Dilbert_X
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Reciprocity wrote:

EVERYTHING from FOX is opinion.  If you want news, watch the newshour.  If you want your own opinion reinforced watch FOX or MSNBC.
Or vice versa if you need a laugh.
Fuck Israel

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