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2010-06-26 13:28:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6650|North Carolina

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

It doesn't have to be that way though.  NC law tries to amend this slightly by making the age gap more significant.  Starting at 15, a 3 year age gap is allowed for statutory charges to not be applicable.  So, an 18 year old can have sex with a 15 year old, whereas someone 19 or older can't, and so on.

That at least makes the laws more sane.  Otherwise, the laws overlook the vast difference in implications between an 18 year old fucking a 17 year old, and a 40 year old doing it.  Surely, you would agree that one is very different from the other.
I'll give that to ya...age of consent laws are stupid.  But I'm sure you see what I mean--there is always a line in the sand, and it WILL be arbitrary.  To fit the needs of current society, it should probably be changed...but hey, in NY, if 2 16 year olds consent to sex, they are both criminals with the other person as their victim.  How dumb!  Age proximity allowances ought to be made, like NC, but perhaps a bit more like what Winston said.
For the most part, I agree.

SenorToenails wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm not really opposed to the age 21 drinking age. Most 18,19,20 year olds are binge drinking retards and anything that potentially keeps them out of a car while drunk is fine with me. By the time a person turns 21 they have some sense to them.
Well, in reality it just keeps them from buying their own alcohol.  Some states allow consumption in private settings.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/images … um_age.gif

At 18, I can serve in the military, operate motor vehicles unrestricted on the roads, vote, be legally considered an adult...but I am still not considered 'mature' enough to buy alcohol?  That's pretty damn silly.
Yep....  but our Puritan heritage rears its ugly head occasionally still.  Hell, we even indulged in the fantasy of making alcohol illegal for everyone briefly.

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2010-06-26 13:33:58
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6650|North Carolina

SenorToenails wrote:

jord wrote:

There seems to be an overwelming majority of Americans that agree your age of consent and age to buy alcohol should be lowered. I wonder why in a democratic nation nothing has changed given such support... Are you Americans in line with your fellow countrymen or out of touch with them?
Old people vote in large numbers.  Young people do not.  That's probably a lot of why what we say on here gets ignored.  That, and both of those can have the 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN' argument used against them.
Pretty much...  Also, MADD has more power than you'd think.

Although...  insurance companies have a vested interest in pushing the drinking age back as well, since in theory, this equals less drunk driving and consequently, less claims to pay for.

In the end, it really does come back to money (as it almost always does).

jord wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

jord wrote:

There seems to be an overwelming majority of Americans that agree your age of consent and age to buy alcohol should be lowered. I wonder why in a democratic nation nothing has changed given such support... Are you Americans in line with your fellow countrymen or out of touch with them?
I'm not really opposed to the age 21 drinking age. Most 18,19,20 year olds are binge drinking retards and anything that potentially keeps them out of a car while drunk is fine with me. By the time a person turns 21 they have some sense to them.
I've always maintained the European view (which is rare) that drinking responsibly at younger ages with family eases people into alcohol. Rather than a "Ive just scored a bottle of absynth LEZ DO IT".

With regards to my last post I think people are only annoyed at the age laws when it affects them. When someone becomes old enough to drink legally I imagine they become appathetic to the "lower it to 16/17/18" cause.
Pretty much...  binge drinking is likely a direct result of how alcohol is regarded as a taboo while a minor rather than "easing" up to it, as you said.

Also, as you implied, ageism is the most acceptable prejudice in society because you're only temporarily young.

Granted, the old sure do throw a shitfit when people even think of discriminating against them.  Assholes....
2010-06-26 13:39:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6650|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:


To be fair, how does the purchase age at 21 really increase the size of government?
I though big/small government can also a figurative thing as well as literal? Meaning small government would just mean less intervention and less of the government telling you what to do? Like with the smoking taxes for instance.
You are correct, but as I said, I view this legislation as a way of limiting conflict between people. If a person wants to sit in their room or go to a party and drink with friends I don't have an issue with it. The fact is, people below the age of 21 are far more likely to commit assault, rape, and drive while intoxicated. Because of this, I view the law as protecting society from individuals who can't handle their alcohol and who are statistically more at risk for committing vis-à-vis crimes.
I understand your reasoning, but as Senor said, if they want alcohol, the ban on consumption and purchase of it really doesn't stop them that much.

Granted, it does work better than our all-out bans on things like marijuana.

The funny thing is... it's easier for a minor to get pot than to get alcohol BECAUSE it's illegal and not available in a legally regulated setting.  lol
2010-06-26 15:06:18
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5718|Ventura, California
I like Miley's accent.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
2010-06-26 22:18:51
nickb64
formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]
+77|5856|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

ghettoperson wrote:

I'm talking about the cost of taxi's in big cities. eg LA, New York etc.  You seem to have got this the wrong way around, I'm saying perhaps in small towns it'd be really cheap to take a cab, but that's not the case in big cities. I'm not talking about getting between big cities, I'm talking about getting from the bar in a city back to your house easily. If there's public transport readily available people aren't going to drunk drive home.
Where I live, you can get on a bus up until like 2 AM and ride throughout the county for like $1.50... and no, I don't live in a big city, maybe ~100-150k people

*My experiences do not necessarily represent those of others in other areas. Actual availability may vary.
2010-06-29 13:29:29
Tankbuster=44=
Member
+18|5714|Scotland

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Personally, I would love to execute him

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2010-06-29 15:55:53
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7025|Great Brown North

Tankbuster=44= wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Personally, I would love to execute him
he's an annoying pole smoker, but not much more
2010-06-29 16:04:47
Fynnegin
(:
+8|5303|Tampa

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Personally, I would love to execute him
Who wouldn't?

 

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