BF2S Forums Environmentalists give Barack Obama a pass on oil spill

JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Spark wrote:

Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.

thats all he can do, eh?  how about oversight of the clean up?  you know where workers take 2 hour lunches and watch women on the beach instead of doing anything?  ya right.  cant do anything.  you people are pathetic.

Sounds like you want big government.

when it comes to stuff like this...yes.

11 Bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

thats all he can do, eh?  how about oversight of the clean up?  you know where workers take 2 hour lunches and watch women on the beach instead of doing anything?  ya right.  cant do anything.  you people are pathetic.

Sounds like you want big government.

when it comes to stuff like this...yes.

Oh, ok. So the other 99.9999999% of the time when you've been screaming for small government, and a crisis happens, you magically want the government to mushroom in size to deal with whatever crisis you deem important enough for them to do so. Gotcha.

How about we leave the cleanup to the professionals... and to the people who are feeling this in their pocketbook every day that it continues... all of whom happen to be BP. It's BPs job to make sure people aren't slacking, it's BPs job to make sure the well is capped, and it's BPs job to pay for the cleanup. Nowhere in there is there any mention of the government needing to butt in and install a bunch of bureaucracy and red tape in order to make everything run smoother.

Your real problem is that you hate Obama and have been lying in wait for him to 'fuck up' even though him 'fucking up' is completely unrelated to his job description and outside of his control. Partisan politics in America makes me sick. Always looking to one up the 'other team' even when 99% of the time it's completely illogical and asinine. YOU are part of the reason why we're stuck with a stupid two party system and why incumbents get re-elected 90% of the time.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-06-13 21:51:01)

11 Bravo wrote:

i never scream about small govt.  dont fucking make shit up so you can spew a wall of text.

Did I miscast you as a tea partying Republican?

JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sounds like you want big government.

when it comes to stuff like this...yes.

Oh, ok. So the other 99.9999999% of the time when you've been screaming for small government, and a crisis happens, you magically want the government to mushroom in size to deal with whatever crisis you deem important enough for them to do so. Gotcha.

How about we leave the cleanup to the professionals... and to the people who are feeling this in their pocketbook every day that it continues... all of whom happen to be BP. It's BPs job to make sure people aren't slacking, it's BPs job to make sure the well is capped, and it's BPs job to pay for the cleanup. Nowhere in there is there any mention of the government needing to butt in and install a bunch of bureaucracy and red tape in order to make everything run smoother.

Pretty much this.

11 Bravo wrote:

ahh yes there is no red tape in a huge corporation.

And there's less in a government?

11 Bravo wrote:

Spark wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

ahh yes there is no red tape in a huge corporation.

And there's less in a government?

oh i see.  so no oversight of anything is better?  let the companies do whatever?  well i agree.  the green weenies have fucked enough companies with their carbon shit so ya.

Wait, where did anyone say "let the companies do whatever"? Of course the government should make BP clean up but that's precisely the point. It's BP that'll be doing the cleaning, not the government.

Now we're just going around in circles.

JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sounds like you want big government.

when it comes to stuff like this...yes.

Oh, ok. So the other 99.9999999% of the time when you've been screaming for small government, and a crisis happens, you magically want the government to mushroom in size to deal with whatever crisis you deem important enough for them to do so. Gotcha.

How about we leave the cleanup to the professionals... and to the people who are feeling this in their pocketbook every day that it continues... all of whom happen to be BP. It's BPs job to make sure people aren't slacking, it's BPs job to make sure the well is capped, and it's BPs job to pay for the cleanup. Nowhere in there is there any mention of the government needing to butt in and install a bunch of bureaucracy and red tape in order to make everything run smoother.

Your real problem is that you hate Obama and have been lying in wait for him to 'fuck up' even though him 'fucking up' is completely unrelated to his job description and outside of his control. Partisan politics in America makes me sick. Always looking to one up the 'other team' even when 99% of the time it's completely illogical and asinine. YOU are part of the reason why we're stuck with a stupid two party system and why incumbents get re-elected 90% of the time.

On the one hand, John is right.  People claim they want smaller government and then bitch when they want the government to help them out (which generally requires bigger government).

A perfect example was when Governor Rick Perry was fueling the flames of secession in Texas over Obamacare, and then one month later after a hurricane, he was begging for federal funds to help out the Houston area.

People want big government but don't want to pay for it.

On the other hand, more oversight of the oil industry would be a good thing now.  The agency charged with promoting safety on these rigs clearly got too cozy with the oil companies, and then this disaster happened.

With reliable oversight, these things don't tend to happen.  Look at the nuclear power industry, for example.

Harmor wrote:

Tomorrow the Messiah will be making a speech from the Oval Office about the spill.  Any bets on what he's going to say?

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2010/image34x.png

But of course you've already decided what he'll say - exactly whatever fits your ideology.

Two Dutch companies are on stand-by to help the Americans tackle an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico. The two companies use huge booms to sweep and suck the oil from the surface of the sea. The US authorities, however, have difficulties with the method they use.

What do the Dutch have that the Americans don’t when it comes to tackling oil spills at sea? “Skimmers,” answers Wierd Koops, chairman of the Dutch organisation for combating oil spills, Spill Response Group Holland.

The Americans don’t have spill response vessels with skimmers because their environment regulations do not allow it. With the Dutch method seawater is sucked up with the oil by the skimmer. The oil is stored in the tanker and the superfluous water is pumped overboard. But the water does contain some oil residue, and that is too much according to US environment regulations.

It's better to have all that oil just run into the ocean than to have a residue pollution!

Chou wrote:

Two Dutch companies are on stand-by to help the Americans tackle an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico. The two companies use huge booms to sweep and suck the oil from the surface of the sea. The US authorities, however, have difficulties with the method they use.

What do the Dutch have that the Americans don’t when it comes to tackling oil spills at sea? “Skimmers,” answers Wierd Koops, chairman of the Dutch organisation for combating oil spills, Spill Response Group Holland.

The Americans don’t have spill response vessels with skimmers because their environment regulations do not allow it. With the Dutch method seawater is sucked up with the oil by the skimmer. The oil is stored in the tanker and the superfluous water is pumped overboard. But the water does contain some oil residue, and that is too much according to US environment regulations.

It's better to have all that oil just run into the ocean than to have a residue pollution!

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch … l-disaster

could at least grab some bounty and windex and get to scrubbin

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

So we'd rather have oil birds peppering the beaches with their pitiful chocolate visages than have a little bit of pollutant residue? I'm not sure that's the case. I think it's far more likely that there is just a lot of red tape that the people at the top don't have the executive bollocks to cut. Or, as mentioned above, it's just government indifference. Could just be incompetence.

Only thing I can think it is that the oil is removable from the sea, whereas this residue would be much more difficult to clean up? They're going to be pretty desperate at this point, but the oil can be cleaned up eventually.