Environmentalists give Barack Obama a pass on oil spill

2010-06-12 15:29:05

#1

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6834|San Diego, CA, USA

Environmentalists give Barack Obama a pass on oil spill

via http://www.drudgereport.com/

Politico wrote:
As the greatest environmental catastrophe in U.S. history has played out on Obama’s watch, the environmental movement has essentially given him a pass — all but refusing to unleash any vocal criticism against the president even as the public has grown more frustrated by Obama’s performance.

About a dozen environmental groups took out a full page ad in the Washington Post Tuesday — not to fault Obama over the ecological catastrophe but to thank him for putting on hold an Alaska drilling project. “We deeply appreciate your decision. ...” the ad says to Obama.

President Obama is the best environmental president we’ve had since Teddy Roosevelt,” Sierra Club chairman Carl Pope told the Bangor Daily News last week. “He obviously did not take the crisis in the Minerals Management Service adequately seriously, that’s clear. But his agencies have done a phenomenally good job.

Some say there’s little doubt that if a spill like the one in the Gulf took place on former President George W. Bush’s watch, environmental groups would have unleashed an unsparing fury on the Republican in the White House. For their liberal ally, Obama, they seem willing to hold their tongues.

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This just proves that Environmentalism is not about protecting the environment, but supporting this Marxist President's policies. These Environmentalists are almost as bad as N.O.W. supporting a serial rapist.

I would have respect for the Environmentalists if they were consistent in their vitriol, but they are not.

Now if only Obama would life the Jones Restrictions for other countries helping us in this disaster AND putting alot of regulations that are stopping local authorities to get something done now, what 55 days after the disaster!!!

2010-06-12 15:34:06

#2

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7001

The oil spill was Bush's fault.

Seriously though, a lot of environmental people are realizing Obama is in way over his head on this.
I don't blame Obama for the oil spill but i do blame him for wasting so much time
and all the fingerpointing and blame. We need someone to step up and take charge
and we don't have that.

Love is the answer

2010-06-12 16:00:59

#3

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

I would think the only reason the environmentalists are relatively quiet right now is because the only other major party in America is even more environmentally lax than the Democrats.

Green politics in America are mostly a joke -- especially when you look at how much we pollute per capita.

We may soon be surpassed by China in terms of total pollution, but per person, we're still among the worst polluters in the world.

2010-06-12 16:54:48

#4

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,056|7057|PNW

What? None of the environmentalists I've spoken to gave Obama a pass.

2010-06-12 20:48:21

#5

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6960|Canberra, AUS

Methinks they're afraid of tainting Obama too much lest it means a more Republican, pro-drilling administration in the office.

The result? Blatant, naked hypocrisy. All bullshit.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-06-12 20:52:55

#6

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6814|Global Command

Nobama is the environmental president. The libs have bet all their chips on him and are afraid to piss him off.

2010-06-12 21:18:30

#7

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6960|Canberra, AUS

TBH then they can't exactly claim to be deacons of scientific rationality. Giving a blind eye to a more favourable option may be politically expedient, but it is, frankly...

Unscientific.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-06-13 05:25:15

#8

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6866|SE London

All seems perfectly sensible to me.

They are thanking him for blocking future offshore drilling that is something they are against.

Obama's "inaction" is not the issue here, since there is noone who can do anything about it. BP are the best placed to resolve this mess, so they should be the ones to do it. They have the best suited equipment and experts that are currently available. The only people that could realistically be asked to help are their competitors.

The problem I have with Obama's response is all the blaming and finger pointing he feels he needs to do just to make it look like he is doing something, because he is stuck in a situation where the best option is for him to not do anything.

2010-06-13 06:04:18

#9

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6934

What exactly are you retards expecting Obama to do? Swim a mile underwater and plug the leak with his finger?

2010-06-13 07:36:24

#10

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6696|'Murka

He'll kick someone's ass. That's something, right?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-06-13 08:48:48

#11

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5643|London, England

Bertster7 wrote:
All seems perfectly sensible to me.

They are thanking him for blocking future offshore drilling that is something they are against.

Obama's "inaction" is not the issue here, since there is noone who can do anything about it. BP are the best placed to resolve this mess, so they should be the ones to do it. They have the best suited equipment and experts that are currently available. The only people that could realistically be asked to help are their competitors.

The problem I have with Obama's response is all the blaming and finger pointing he feels he needs to do just to make it look like he is doing something, because he is stuck in a situation where the best option is for him to not do anything.

I keep agreeing with you... this is world ending stuff

+1 if I hadn't already karma'd you.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-06-13 10:00:33

#12

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6814|Global Command

JohnG@lt wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
All seems perfectly sensible to me.

They are thanking him for blocking future offshore drilling that is something they are against.

Obama's "inaction" is not the issue here, since there is noone who can do anything about it. BP are the best placed to resolve this mess, so they should be the ones to do it. They have the best suited equipment and experts that are currently available. The only people that could realistically be asked to help are their competitors.

The problem I have with Obama's response is all the blaming and finger pointing he feels he needs to do just to make it look like he is doing something, because he is stuck in a situation where the best option is for him to not do anything.
I keep agreeing with you... this is world ending stuff

+1 if I hadn't already karma'd you.

Bah.
It probably would be better if BP had all their permits revoked and they were banned from doing business anywhere near America, so let the competition handle it and make BP pay the bill. Back charge them, liquidated damages and more charges of willful criminal neglect. Arrest the CEO's and shoot the bastards< sounds good to me. Their history is of flagrant violations and wanton trashing of the environment.

According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, no other oil company inspected by OSHA since June 2007 is even close to BP in the number of citations issued for egregious willful violations (760). Sunoco Inc. was cited for 127 alleged violations, eight of which were willful. ConocoPhillips Co. was cited for 119, four of which were willful, and Citgo Petroleum Corp. for 101, two of which were willful.

They also were to blame for an Alaskan tundra oil spill. Criminal neglect. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123855043724676627.html

ghettoperson wrote:
What exactly are you retards expecting Obama to do? Swim a mile underwater and plug the leak with his finger?

No, retard, how about we expect the brotha to not give safety awards to a bunch of corporate criminals just because they give massive campaign contributions and lobby lavishly for TARP and bailouts. Safety awards; more lips service from this president. There was likely no inspection to go with that award. No integrity, no morality just show me the money.

Now we have the fishing and tourism industry jacked for a generation. Assuming that the chemical assault on the ocean does not trigger some sort of doomsday event.

2010-06-13 10:07:53

#13

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5643|London, England

Whatever ATG, accidents happen. Is this tragic? Yes. Should the head of the BP CEO roll? Absolutely not. Why the fuck would it? You think he was sitting there micromanaging a single oil well in the Gulf of Mexico? Guy is running a global multinational corporation.

I'm really fucking tired of the partisan politics in this country. Bush had fuck all to do with Katrina and shouldn't have been blamed for it. Obama has fuck all to do with this oil spill and doesn't deserve blame for it either. Now, the party that is supposed to be pro-business is all over Obama and BP's ass because they think it will win them an election in November. Idiocy doesn't even begin to describe it.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-06-13 10:12:20

#14

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6814|Global Command

Dude;

According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, no other oil company inspected by OSHA since June 2007 is even close to BP in the number of citations issued for egregious willful violations (760). Sunoco Inc. was cited for 127 alleged violations, eight of which were willful. ConocoPhillips Co. was cited for 119, four of which were willful, and Citgo Petroleum Corp. for 101, two of which were willful.

Can you read???

2010-06-13 10:14:07

#15

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5643|London, England

ATG wrote:
Dude;

According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, no other oil company inspected by OSHA since June 2007 is even close to BP in the number of citations issued for egregious willful violations (760). Sunoco Inc. was cited for 127 alleged violations, eight of which were willful. ConocoPhillips Co. was cited for 119, four of which were willful, and Citgo Petroleum Corp. for 101, two of which were willful.

Can you read???

Can you do simple math? Check out the market share for all of the companies you listed.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-06-13 10:55:05

#16

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6814|Global Command

At what number of egregious willful violations do we demand accountability?

I do not care about market shares. I care about corporate monsters ruining this planet and buying off politicians.

BP was named by Mother Jones Magazine as one of the "ten worst corporations" in both 2001 and 2005 based on its environmental and human rights records. In 1991 BP was cited as the most polluting company in the US based on EPA toxic release data. BP has been charged with burning polluted gases at its Ohio refinery (for which it was fined $1.7 million), and in July 2000 BP paid a $10 million fine to the EPA for its management of its US refineries. According to PIRG research, between January 1997 and March 1998, BP was responsible for 104 oil spills.

In regards to deepwater;

BP was running the well without a remote control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations, Brazil and Norway, as a last resort protection against underwater spills. The use of such devices is not mandated by U.S. regulators.[66] The U.S. Government gave the responsibility of the incident to BP and will hold it accountable for costs incurred in containing the situation.[67] On May 11, 2010, Congress called the executives of BP, Transocean, and Halliburton to a hearing regarding the oil spill. When probed for answers regarding the events leading up to the explosion, each company blamed the other. BP blamed Transocean who owned the rig, who then blamed the operators of the rig, BP. They also blamed Halliburton, who built the well casing.[68] Scientists have been requesting the right to monitor the amount of oil that is actually being released per day, but "'The answer is no to that,' a BP spokesman, Tom Mueller, said on Saturday, May 15.

They, as usual ignored what other companies and nations were doing for safety and did as little as possible to safeguard the environment.
How fucking hard is it to have a remote shut off valve? No contingency plan, no ethics and no good record. " Here you go BP, here is a safety award, thanks for your donation to my campaign. "

Last edited by ATG (2010-06-13 11:07:43)

2010-06-13 11:09:31

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
He'll kick someone's ass. That's something, right?

Only if it involves kicking the asses of the Tea Party and Glenn Beck.

2010-06-13 11:17:35

#18

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6934

lol ATG

2010-06-13 20:30:37

#19

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6960|Canberra, AUS

Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-06-13 21:25:56

#20

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6834|San Diego, CA, USA

Spark wrote:
Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.

What ad are you talking about? BP's ad to bolster their public image? Or did Obama place an ad somewhere?

2010-06-13 21:37:37

#21

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6834|San Diego, CA, USA

Update: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- … ering-heat

He'll feel better tomorrow to kick someone's ass after a round of golf.

2010-06-13 21:38:08

#22

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6960|Canberra, AUS

Harmor wrote:
Spark wrote:
Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.
What ad are you talking about? BP's ad to bolster their public image? Or did Obama place an ad somewhere?

The ad in the OP...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-06-13 21:41:28

#23

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5522|Cleveland, Ohio

Spark wrote:
Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.

thats all he can do, eh? how about oversight of the clean up? you know where workers take 2 hour lunches and watch women on the beach instead of doing anything? ya right. cant do anything. you people are pathetic.

2010-06-13 21:42:32

#24

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6960|Canberra, AUS

11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:
Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.
thats all he can do, eh? how about oversight of the clean up? you know where workers take 2 hour lunches and watch women on the beach instead of doing anything? ya right. cant do anything. you people are pathetic.

And how does he prevent that?

By yelling and shouting at people...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-06-13 21:43:14

#25

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5643|London, England

11 Bravo wrote:
Spark wrote:
Look, my beef here isn't with Obama - it's pretty obvious that all he can do is yell and shout - but placing an ad of this type in a newspaper is completely out of line for me.
thats all he can do, eh? how about oversight of the clean up? you know where workers take 2 hour lunches and watch women on the beach instead of doing anything? ya right. cant do anything. you people are pathetic.

Sounds like you want big government.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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