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Yes, the CHP case people died. That car was later involved in a recall. He was right. And company documents have come out showing they knew of the problem years before hand. So much for the speculation on Turq's part. And it was a recall that kept expanding. To include more cars then both GM's and Chryslers recalls of late. I can guarantee if they keep expanding the recalls like Toyota did, or try denying problems like Toyota did, they will get more press.

Toyota recalled a number of trucks in Japan for a defective steering column but chose to wait nearly a year before recalling them in North America, despite a series of complains in the United States regarding the issue. http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010 … ntrol.html

Either Toyota knew the problems existed and did nothing to repair the defects or Toyota’s quality control inspections were ignored in order to push product out the doors and ship it to the United States hoping for the best.

Both scenarios indicated a history of defects that went undetected, ignored or denied by Toyota, in the problems with the cars shipped to China. You would think that they would check all their models, all their parts and ensure vigorous testing of their products before selling them to an unsuspecting public. http://www.politicolnews.com/toyota-rec … ter-error/

He'll likely be asked about an internal company memo that shows the car manufacturer saved $100 million in 2007 by persuading government regulators to narrow their investigation. The regulators agreed to just a limited recall.
CBS News has learned that as early as 2005 Toyota engineers were redesigning software in response to complaints of cars surging unexpectedly, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.
So far, Toyota has recalled 7.475 million vehicles for supposed sticky pedals and floor mats. But those vehicles - and millions more on the road - have the electronic throttle control system at issue in the company's own report in 2005.

That could be crucial because publicly Toyota has insisted for six years - through eight federal investigations - that electronics are not to blame when its cars surge, sometimes out of control. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/ … 2884.shtml

Yes, recalls happen all the time, and to all manufacturers. The reason Toyota got so much attention was hey were known for quality before this, GM not so much. They also handled it poorly by DENYING there was a problem for far too long. And the recalls involved 7+ million cars.

Varegg wrote:

The recall about the accelerator has nothing to do with electronics so your point is?

None of the cars having incidents with uncontrolled acceleration has had any electronic of mechanic flaws, kinda strange don't you think?

And not to be rude but all 3 of your sources are just describing speculations and no real answers ... if it all turns out to be true like you've stated I will be gravely disapointed in a company I've worked for so long and that have never ever pulled stunts like the articles describe ...

He's an American liberal that watches our liberal news channels... The Democrats blasted Toyota for months and tried to pin all sorts of stuff on them... because they wanted to hurt Toyota and increase GM sales... Talking to nlsme1 is rather futile as he's just a ball of other peoples emotions. He's the type of person that is outraged by sob stories. Don't look for a unique opinion there...

^^ Well I'm not quite the most objective when it comes to Toyota and would prolly argue less defensive if I didn't work for the company ... but allegations has to be proven none the less ... and so far none of them have been concerning Toyota

nlsme1 wrote:

So the fact that 14 million cars were recalled as opposed to how many for the other 2 companies doesn't garner more attention? The fact that they built them selves a reputation for quality, then had to recall 14 million cars means what then? That they should get a pass? The fact that they saved $100 million by getting regulators to "narrow" their search was speculation on Toyota's part. OH I see, it was all a conspiracy to boost the sales at GM.

G@LT, the one who never posts ANYTHING other then personal attacks. I have seen very few responses from you that actually tried to address the subject. As far as what I watch, your assumptions fall short again. As always. And where exactly are your unique opinions?

It garners attention yes, why wouldn't it and why shouldn't it ... but please get the facts correct, and so far you haven't ...

The accelerator recall concerns a small bush that may after a huge milage were out and cause the accelerator to stuck ... the percentage of that happening is so small but still large enough to warrant a fix and a recall ... a tiny shim and 30 minutes is all it takes to fix the problem.

So blown out of proportion is what the media have done in a very ignorant manor ... it's a serious issue but not that serious ... we've had many smaller recalls that have cost Toyota more previously ...

"Toyota recalled a number of trucks in Japan for a defective steering column but chose to wait nearly a year before recalling them in North America, despite a series of complains in the United States regarding the issue." Not speculation.

"company memo that shows the car manufacturer saved $100 million in 2007 by persuading government regulators to narrow their investigation. The regulators agreed to just a limited recall." not speculation

"Instead, Toyota faults drivers, floor mats and - more recently - sticky gas pedals" notice that it was only "recently" they admitted the sticky gas pedals. Again NOT SPECULATION

Varegg wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

So the fact that 14 million cars were recalled as opposed to how many for the other 2 companies doesn't garner more attention? The fact that they built them selves a reputation for quality, then had to recall 14 million cars means what then? That they should get a pass? The fact that they saved $100 million by getting regulators to "narrow" their search was speculation on Toyota's part. OH I see, it was all a conspiracy to boost the sales at GM.

G@LT, the one who never posts ANYTHING other then personal attacks. I have seen very few responses from you that actually tried to address the subject. As far as what I watch, your assumptions fall short again. As always. And where exactly are your unique opinions?

It garners attention yes, why wouldn't it and why shouldn't it ... but please get the facts correct, and so far you haven't ...

The accelerator recall concerns a small bush that may after a huge milage were out and cause the accelerator to stuck ... the percentage of that happening is so small but still large enough to warrant a fix and a recall ... a tiny shim and 30 minutes is all it takes to fix the problem.

So blown out of proportion is what the media have done in a very ignorant manor ... it's a serious issue but not that serious ... we've had many smaller recalls that have cost Toyota more previously ...

Its not a matter of being blown out of proportion. 14,000,000 cars were recalled BY Toyota. That's a lot of 0's. It doesn't matter if it is a cheap and easy fix, it covers a lot of households. Far more then GM and Chrysler's latest fuck ups. Hence, the reason they got MORE media attention. Toyota would have been better off saying "we are recalling 14m vehicles." Instead they said "nothing is wrong", then they said "it is driver error", then they said "it is floor mats", then they said "well it is a technical issue, with a slim chance of happening and an easy fix". Every time they decided to "change" their stance, they opened the door for more criticism. If GM and Chrysler did this, there would be an equal amout of criticism, even from the "DEMOCRATS".

Turquoise wrote:

Varegg wrote:

^^ Well I'm not quite the most objective when it comes to Toyota and would prolly argue less defensive if I didn't work for the company ...

I appreciate your honesty, but this pretty much means we can ignore anything else you have to say on this.

JohnG@lt wrote:

He's an American liberal that watches our liberal news channels...

Speaking of bias, if this is the best argument you've got, we can ignore you too.

touche

Varegg wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Varegg wrote:

^^ Well I'm not quite the most objective when it comes to Toyota and would prolly argue less defensive if I didn't work for the company ...

I appreciate your honesty, but this pretty much means we can ignore anything else you have to say on this.

Not the part where you still have to present actual facts and not copy/paste pure speculations ...

And nlsme1 did that for me.  And you dismissed nearly all of it.

You've already shown a lack of willingness to reason on this topic.  I'm not blaming you for defending your employer, but I simply can't trust your judgment on this issue because of your vested interests.

It's like trusting a BP employee to give me a balanced perspective on the oil spill.

Sorry, it's nothing personal.

Really, you must not be able to read.

Toyota recalled a number of trucks in Japan for a defective steering column but chose to wait nearly a year before recalling them in North America, despite a series of complains in the United States regarding the issue<----- that is a fact

memo that shows the car manufacturer saved $100 million in 2007 by persuading government regulators to narrow their investigation. The regulators agreed to just a limited recall....So far, Toyota has recalled 7.475 million vehicles for supposed sticky pedals and floor mats. But those vehicles - and millions more on the road - have the electronic throttle control system at issue in the company's own report in 2005.<----- wow a fact


Toyota faults drivers, floor mats and - more recently - sticky gas pedals." Is this not a fact? Notice that it was only "recently" they admitted the sticky gas pedals.

Okay, there is no "bribe", they just "convinced" the regulators. Toyota's internal documents revealed this, and also stated they saved approx. $100m. The steering column is like all other recalls. The thing is, they decided to recall "some" and not "all" of the "possibly" defective products.The electronic throttle control was only eluded to, because Toyota did an investigation on it. The story only pointed out that the system was involved in cars that were later recalled. Not that that is why they were recalled. The story does mention that 14,000,000 cars were recalled. That is a FACT.

The OP also ignored the fact that the Toyota recalls spanned the course of how many months. If Toyota realeases 10 recalls, it gives the media a chance to make more then one story. Like I said, Toyota would have been better off, if they came out in 1 recall, and recalled all 14,000,000 units. Saying "we are recalling 10,000 cars, the rest are safe" and then saying "we are recalling 100,000, but the rest are safe" and when it is all said and done 14,000,000 cars are recalled, does not do well for Toyota.

As for the "protectionism", I call bs. This is America after all. Just about every MAJOR automaker has plants here.

The only speculation in his thread is in the OP. Saying the only reason that Toyota got so much bad press was because our media was in bed with the government. That was speculation, because he ignored the fact that the Toyota recalls involve SEVEN TIMES the amount involved in GM's and Chrysler's combined.

Ya ya *sigh*

If you read back the story about that particular Lexus it was refitted with a set of floormats never intended to go in that car in the first place ... so not a manufactorer flaw but rather the work of an idiot not following std. procedure ...

So statement still stands ...

And how do you convince a government agency without a bribe? ... and if you do get to convince a government agency to recall some and not all without a bribe maybe it was for a good reason ... ever thought of that?