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Start taking electric cars (and boats, and planes) seriously.

Discuss.

Last edited by Pubic (2010-06-04 06:11:18)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6104|eXtreme to the maX
Aircraft will always need oil.

1. Contingency planning

2. Build equipment and run tests of contingency plans

3.

4. Profit

Its remarkable these super-rich oil companies did none of the above.


But, solar power and electric cars would be great, and cutting the world population by about 90% and keeping it there.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-06-04 06:14:00)

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RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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Dilbert_X wrote:

But, solar power and electric cars would be great, and cutting the world population by about 90% and keeping it there.
90% seems a bit much.. i always thought getting rid of half would do the trick. .

how well would electric boats run? they need a lot more energy than a car.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6540|Texas - Bigger than France
We need to continue to have a temporary plan in place until alternative energy matures a bit.
pace51
Boom?
+194|5171|Markham, Ontario

RTHKI wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But, solar power and electric cars would be great, and cutting the world population by about 90% and keeping it there.
90% seems a bit much.. i always thought getting rid of half would do the trick. .

how well would electric boats run? they need a lot more energy than a car.
It would still take a while to adapt to any form of change, though electric cars would be nice though.

And RTHKI, a solution: Electric Hovercrafts! Cheap, fan-powered, and they can go anywhere! Though that could be a while.
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6483|England

RTHKI wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But, solar power and electric cars would be great, and cutting the world population by about 90% and keeping it there.
90% seems a bit much.. i always thought getting rid of half would do the trick. .

how well would electric boats run? they need a lot more energy than a car.
Stupid comment.

oh yeah great idea, we'll get rid of you and everyone you care about shall we?, that would do the trick.
FloppY_
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+1,010|6284|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
The world needs to do something similar to what Japan does: Max 1 kid per parent!

Last edited by FloppY_ (2010-06-04 07:07:09)

­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England

Pubic wrote:

Start taking electric cars (and boats, and planes) seriously.

Discuss.
Yeah? How is electricity generated?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6673|Canberra, AUS
Coal... hooray. At least you don't get coal spills
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6619|London, England

JohnG@lt wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Start taking electric cars (and boats, and planes) seriously.

Discuss.
Yeah? How is electricity generated?
Depends on the country, lame ones like UK/USA do it mostly by fossil fuels, awesome one's like France (lolwut) do it using nuclear power and then they sell it to us, aswell as buy our electric companies that's how much the UK fails at electricity.

Planes can always start using more biofuels instead of fossil fuels.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Start taking electric cars (and boats, and planes) seriously.

Discuss.
Yeah? How is electricity generated?
Depends on the country, lame ones like UK/USA do it mostly by fossil fuels, awesome one's like France (lolwut) do it using nuclear power and then they sell it to us, aswell as buy our electric companies that's how much the UK fails at electricity.

Planes can always start using more biofuels instead of fossil fuels.
Still burning carbon to generate the force necessary to fly the plane.

An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FloppY_
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+1,010|6284|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Start taking electric cars (and boats, and planes) seriously.

Discuss.
Yeah? How is electricity generated?
Depends on the country, lame ones like UK/USA do it mostly by fossil fuels, awesome one's like France (lolwut) do it using nuclear power and then they sell it to us, aswell as buy our electric companies that's how much the UK fails at electricity.

Planes can always start using more biofuels instead of fossil fuels.
I'm running on 80% wind power in my area :3
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|6576|Columbus, OH
The EPA and other Federal Govt. agencies will boost federal regulations, making any kind of oiling (in the U.S.) almost non-profitable. Petroleum will become extinct (in the U.S.) much like Nuclear energy, so I wouldn't worry the next big oil spill.
Jay
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+2,006|5356|London, England

loubot wrote:

The EPA and other Federal Govt. agencies will boost federal regulations, making any kind of oiling (in the U.S.) almost non-profitable. Petroleum will become extinct (in the U.S.) much like Nuclear energy, so I wouldn't worry the next big oil spill.
Yeah, my brother is starting to send out his resume because the ban on new drilling is going to kill his job.

Which is stupid (not on his part) because his company will just go elsewhere in the world to drill. Developing countries don't have nearly the same amount of rules for safety and other issues that the US does so chance of an oil spill is higher in those parts of the world. We're just making it someone elses problem... just like we did when we moved all the factories out of our country. The envirofags can turn this country into a green paradise all they want and it won't make a lick of difference in comparison to the rest of the planets ills that they are in fact making worse by pushing dirty industries outside of our borders.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-06-04 07:34:16)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
13urnzz
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who said "Drill, Baby Drill!" ?
Macbeth
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FloppY_ wrote:

The world needs to do something similar to what Japan does: Max 1 kid per parent!
1. They do that in China
2. It doesn't work.
3. Japan is among a few countries in Asia that NEEDS their people to start reproducing or else their economy will disappear in a few years.
pace51
Boom?
+194|5171|Markham, Ontario
Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England

pace51 wrote:

Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
Yeah, the prevention technique is to not pump out the mud before the concrete cap is fully set. Then you don't get oil spewing out of the well at 12,000 PSI, breaking the cap, and causing rigs to sink. Simple.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
AussieReaper
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pace51 wrote:

Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
The prevention techniques are fine, it was the mix of concrete by lack of following and adhering to the techniques that contributed to this disaster.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
pace51
Boom?
+194|5171|Markham, Ontario

AussieReaper wrote:

pace51 wrote:

Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
The prevention techniques are fine, it was the mix of concrete by lack of following and adhering to the techniques that contributed to this disaster.
Then someone should babysit the oil companies so that they do what they say they will, or so that they do it right. Didn't Obama give that rig the saftey award?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5356|London, England

pace51 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

pace51 wrote:

Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
The prevention techniques are fine, it was the mix of concrete by lack of following and adhering to the techniques that contributed to this disaster.
Then someone should babysit the oil companies so that they do what they say they will, or so that they do it right. Didn't Obama give that rig the saftey award?
Jesus fucking christ, don't you think that they've learned from this mess? BP has already lost something like 100 BILLION dollars in stock value, is facing a criminal investigation and will have to pay out billions more in cleanup costs. No they don't need a fucking babysitter.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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By TONY HAYWARD

Last week, I attended the memorial service for the 11 men who died aboard the Transocean Deepwater Horizon on April 20. It was both a shattering moment and a vivid reminder of the duty that a manager owes to ensure that team members safely return home to their families.

Americans and others from around the world rightly are asking many questions. How could this happen? How damaging is the spill to the environment? Why have efforts to stop the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf so far failed?

And they are asking questions that have broader implications. Has the industry and the regulatory system governing it been taking unacceptable risks in our work on the geological and technological frontiers? Can we as a society explore for oil and gas in safer and more reliable ways?

The industry and the government did not anticipate this type of accident—one in which all the "failsafe" mechanisms failed. When it happened, we immediately brought the global resources of BP to bear on the dual challenge of stopping a blown-out oil well at a depth no human could reach while at the same time seeking to contain the resulting flow of oil and gas.

And as the scope of the unfolding disaster became more apparent, we reached out for additional scientists and engineers from our partners and competitors in the energy industry, engineering firms, academia, government and the military.

With the exception of the space program in the 1960s, it is difficult to imagine the gathering of a larger, more technically proficient team in one place in peacetime—all under the leadership of the federal government's unified command structure headed by U.S. Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, with the active support of Energy Secretary Stephen Chu and Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar.

The ultimate solution to stop the flow of oil and gas from the well is to drill a relief well, a process that takes about three months. We obviously wanted to minimize or stop the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf long before that. So we readied a multifaceted strategy, featuring a series of technological approaches to be deployed in parallel and in sequence. These included a large containment dome that could not be successfully deployed several weeks ago, the riser insertion tube tool (RITT) that was attached with partial success, and the "top kill" and "junk shot" approaches we tried over several days and eventually abandoned on May 30.

The next question people naturally ask is: "What will you do until the relief well is finished?" Based on what we have learned from the approaches taken thus far, we now believe the best way to minimize the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf is to use a lower marine riser package (LMRP) containment system.

This will involve cutting the damaged riser connected to the Deepwater Horizon's blow-out preventer and placing a cap over the LMRP, which should enable us to contain and collect a majority of the oil and gas flowing from the well. We expect to have the LMRP containment system in place in the next few days. If the LMRP containment system begins operations as expected, then we plan to enhance the system with additional features that should capture even more oil and gas out of the Gulf.

We remain in uncharted territory—none of these approaches has ever been attempted in water a mile deep, where the extreme cold and the intense pressures require experts to carefully adapt proven techniques.

Specialized equipment must be designed, built and tested, compressing operations that normally last weeks or months into days or even hours. Remotely operated vehicle pilots must devise painstaking, step-by-step procedures to deploy the equipment. Like the astronauts aboard Apollo 13 who had to build a CO2 filter from whatever was available in their capsule under the direction of engineers back on Earth, we are forced to innovate in real time. The devices developed in recent weeks, such as the RITT and the LMRP cap, are cases in point.

Here are a few of the lessons as I see them.

First, we need better safety technology. We in the industry have long had great confidence in the blow-out preventer as the ultimate failsafe piece of safety equipment. Yet on this occasion it failed, with disastrous consequences.

Since the April 20 explosions and fire, BP is carefully evaluating the subsea blow-out preventers used in all our drilling operations world-wide, including the testing and maintenance procedures of our drilling contractors using the devices. We will participate in industry-wide efforts to improve the safety and reliability of subsea blow-out preventers and deep water drilling practices.

Second, we need to be better prepared for a subsea disaster. It is clear that our industry should be better prepared to address deep sea accidents of this type and magnitude.

With each major spill, we as an industry learn more. Following the Exxon Valdez oil spill, the industry recognized the need to enhance its capacity to address oil spills. The result was the Marine Spill Response Corporation (MSRC), an independent, nonprofit company.

MSRC's capabilities include a significant inventory of vessels, equipment and trained personnel, complemented by a large contractor work force. Thanks to MSRC and other contractors, the impact of the current spill on the Gulf is considerably less than it might otherwise have been.

We now need to develop a similar capability for dealing with large undersea spills. BP intends to have a key role in creating this capability, and we believe that our competitors and counterparts in the industry will join us.

Third, the industry should carefully evaluate its business model. For decades, exploration and production companies have relied on outsourcing work to specialized contractors. There's much that makes sense about this kind of structure, and lots of talented people and well-run companies are a part of it. But the question after the Deepwater Horizon accident is how all involved parties—including exploration and production companies and drilling contractors—can work even more closely together to better understand and significantly reduce the various risks associated with drilling operations.

Over the more than 100 years of its history, BP has taken pride in operating at the frontiers of the energy industry, and we are committed to defining the new path forward.

Of course, actions speak louder than words, so we are fully prepared to be judged by the quality and effectiveness of our future conduct. I am confident we will learn from these terrible events and the industry will emerge stronger, smarter and safer than before.

Mr. Hayward is CEO of BP plc.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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JohnG@lt wrote:

pace51 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


The prevention techniques are fine, it was the mix of concrete by lack of following and adhering to the techniques that contributed to this disaster.
Then someone should babysit the oil companies so that they do what they say they will, or so that they do it right. Didn't Obama give that rig the saftey award?
Jesus fucking christ, don't you think that they've learned from this mess? BP has already lost something like 100 BILLION dollars in stock value, is facing a criminal investigation and will have to pay out billions more in cleanup costs. No they don't need a fucking babysitter.
yeah tbh, they need to look for the next industry this could happen in and babysit that.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6536|Long Island, New York
There was a thing in Popular Science mag a few months back about implanting solar panels into roads.

Solar and wind are the way of the future. Natural, renewable, neverending resources. There's so much open space out there to build large arrays of solar panels and wind farms. I know they're expensive but they're worth it in the long run.
BLdw
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+27|5169|M104 "Sombrero"

JohnG@lt wrote:

An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
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