The aid one gonna be any better?ruisleipa wrote:
the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
WTF Israel... you could've just stalled the ships, not stormed them. FEOS is spot on though.
I was thinking more one executed by an objective third party.ruisleipa wrote:
the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It will be interesting to hear the stories of westerners on the boat. There will have been plenty of cameras on board too. TIme will tell.M.O.A.B wrote:
The aid one gonna be any better?ruisleipa wrote:
the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
im not a jew, im not a pal......99% of you here arent either. i really care tbh.
Don't be such a Jew, Pal.11 Bravo wrote:
im not a jew, im not a pal......99% of you here arent either. i really care tbh.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That doesn't necessarily mean the whole truth will be told. Like FEOS said, it needs third party investigation with unbiased members.CameronPoe wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the stories of westerners on the boat. There will have been plenty of cameras on board too. TIme will tell.M.O.A.B wrote:
The aid one gonna be any better?ruisleipa wrote:
the idf one?
I know but it will be an interesting read. There were Holocaust survivors and Nobel peace prize winners on the flotilla.M.O.A.B wrote:
That doesn't necessarily mean the whole truth will be told. Like FEOS said, it needs third party investigation with unbiased members.CameronPoe wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the stories of westerners on the boat. There will have been plenty of cameras on board too. TIme will tell.M.O.A.B wrote:
The aid one gonna be any better?
and Swedish detective novelists...CameronPoe wrote:
I know but it will be an interesting read. There were Holocaust survivors and Nobel peace prize winners on the flotilla.
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All the supposed other raids on ships bound for Gaza that no one ever hears about, are they subject to third party investigation?FEOS wrote:
I was thinking more one executed by an objective third party.ruisleipa wrote:
the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
lol. Jewish moral high ground. There were some Jewish people on the fucking boats ffs. Not familiar with Israel I take it... why do you think boats were taking cement to Gaza in the first place! There is no moral high ground in that region of the world. I notice Gilad Shalit still has his head. I hope Turkey use this as a pretext to embargo Israel, it's about time the racist/expansionist Lieberman/Netanyahu regime get taught a lesson. Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert were like Mother Theresa and Mohatma Ghandi in comparison.ATG wrote:
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
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You forgot brainless but yeah, that describes you to a T.ruisleipa wrote:
There's now plenty of vids on youtube, some showing the IDF rappelling down and getting stuck into the passengers, one at least from IDF an infrared camera showing some soldiers being attacked. personally I don't think the second vid means fuck all but I guess I'm a biased jew hating anti-american liberal bleh blah
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.ATG wrote:
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.nlsme1 wrote:
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.ATG wrote:
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
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I seem to remember quite a few people being beheaded while I was in Iraq... I can look it up on Al-Jazeera if you want me to.CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.nlsme1 wrote:
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.ATG wrote:
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
So you are agreeing that MOST muslim governments take this stance? Wich I doubt.CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.nlsme1 wrote:
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.ATG wrote:
protip;
if guys with automatic weapons come to your house or boat, don't hit them with anything as you might get killed.
And, if I were an Israeli commander and I knew what kind of shit storm was coming down I would have sunk the boat straight away and killed everybody on board to keep the thing quiet.
The fact that there are survivors indicates the Jewish moral high ground. Muslim dogs would have cut the heads off any jews, if the situation were reversed, and posted the video of the screaming victims having their heads slowly hacked off and idiots around the world would have said " good, dirty jews deserved to get their heads hacked off.
So the actions of an insugancy equat to the governments stance? Or is it really NORMAL for muslim GOVERNMENTS to "behead" without a trial?JohnG@lt wrote:
I seem to remember quite a few people being beheaded while I was in Iraq... I can look it up on Al-Jazeera if you want me to.CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.nlsme1 wrote:
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.
Iraqi government were decapitating people as punishment whilst you were stationed there? Well you guys must have done a great job installing this new government then.JohnG@lt wrote:
I seem to remember quite a few people being beheaded while I was in Iraq... I can look it up on Al-Jazeera if you want me to.CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.nlsme1 wrote:
Not many muslim "governments" would do as you say "all" would. Broad brush makes ugly art.
If the government is beholden to the religion, yes.nlsme1 wrote:
So the actions of an insugancy equat to the governments stance? Or is it really NORMAL for muslim GOVERNMENTS to "behead" without a trial?JohnG@lt wrote:
I seem to remember quite a few people being beheaded while I was in Iraq... I can look it up on Al-Jazeera if you want me to.CameronPoe wrote:
Wow. What a moron. Decapitation is punishment only in Saudi Arabia. It's blatantly obvious you have never visited the middle east or know anything other than Fox News soundbites about it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
hey guys, remember darfur? me neither.
Tu Stultus Es
If? It is a yes or no question.JohnG@lt wrote:
If the government is beholden to the religion, yes.nlsme1 wrote:
So the actions of an insugancy equat to the governments stance? Or is it really NORMAL for muslim GOVERNMENTS to "behead" without a trial?JohnG@lt wrote:
I seem to remember quite a few people being beheaded while I was in Iraq... I can look it up on Al-Jazeera if you want me to.
Is the government beholden to Islam?nlsme1 wrote:
If? It is a yes or no question.JohnG@lt wrote:
If the government is beholden to the religion, yes.nlsme1 wrote:
So the actions of an insugancy equat to the governments stance? Or is it really NORMAL for muslim GOVERNMENTS to "behead" without a trial?
Yes: Beheadings
No: No beheadings
Simple really. Secular states are not in the habit of decapitating their enemies, only those driven by religious fervor.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
"Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that's 100% clear," [Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev] said.ruisleipa wrote:
5) People didn't have guns on the boat, the only people who brought guns there were the Israelis (at least that's what the consensus is now)
So, yeah.. that's what the consensus is if you're prone to completely ignoring what the other side says outright. As expected, Ruis already has his mind made up before all the information is in.
Because it was at least as much of a PR & Propaganda ploy, as it was an aid shipment.ruisleipa wrote:
6) in the thread title why is 'aid' in speech marks?
With the intentionally focused media coverage, large number of semi-celebrity types onboard, and just number of ships - it was more of a staged PR maneuver than a real aid shipment.
I find it hard believing them, but I also find it hard believing the aid crew too. I think Israel got sucked into a trap, but I also think they wanted to anyway. I dunno.rdx-fx wrote:
"Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that's 100% clear," [Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev] said.ruisleipa wrote:
5) People didn't have guns on the boat, the only people who brought guns there were the Israelis (at least that's what the consensus is now)
So, yeah.. that's what the consensus is if you're prone to completely ignoring what the other side says outright. As expected, Ruis already has his mind made up before all the information is in.Because it was at least as much of a PR & Propaganda ploy, as it was an aid shipment.ruisleipa wrote:
6) in the thread title why is 'aid' in speech marks?
With the intentionally focused media coverage, large number of semi-celebrity types onboard, and just number of ships - it was more of a staged PR maneuver than a real aid shipment.
You seem to have also made your own consensus too regarding the official Israeli government response. I don't get it, you're just as bad as Ruis. Making your mind up because you're assuming the Israeli government response is all the information that's needed.