I've posted this before on other GW threads, but I think it deserves its own thread.
Now usually on the other threads the reply I get is "blah blah GW is a scientific fact you denier answer." So this thread is not about the science of Global Warming, this thread is about the potential threat from global corporate control of energy and the use of Global Warming by these groups to pursue those ends.
So where this all starts for me is in 1998 when I met someone at a lecture who told me about being at a Bilderberger Group meeting. Mind you this meeting was in 1996 or 1997. At that meeting world leaders, top bureaucrats and industrial leaders were talking about using peoples' support on environmental issues to control energy in order to create new revenue streams for governments and profits for industry. Since Al Gore was VP during Clintons first term, I imagine he was probably there. Anyway, this was in 1996 or 1997 and about 10 years before an inconvenient truth, and long before government grant money started flowing into climate change/environmental science studies.
GW is the poster child of big industry and big government. Global corporations and global traders want to gain control, or otherwise be outside of the control of govenrments, and as we saw with ENRON in the California electricity crisis, a corporation can make governmental action sterile if the corporation can get out side of the reach of that govts regulatory jurisdiction.
That's what the global energy companies are pushing for. With trading regimes like The ENRON Loophole, or other measures like the high frequency energy trading, or funneling paper oil contracts in Euros through China, then selling them to the US in order to falsify global demand and then making another profit on the currency carry trade because funneling paper oil contracts through China based on Euros caused the US dollar to devalue. Thankfully that trade is now breaking down with the fall of the Euro and these people have momentarily lost their grip on oil.
Now cap and trade is the next step. It will in effect be an inverse energy market. When energy commodities increase in value, carbon credit will go down. when energy decreases, carbon credits will increase. It will set the floor on energy and permit traders to ratchet up energy prices. And Governments will make revenue on selling the carbon credits in the first instance.
Cap and trade is what those people had in mind in 1996 when then were talking about using environmental issues to create new markets and revenue streams outside of govermental regulatory control. Governemnts have sunk billions into GW research in order to create a platform from which it could propose creating new private markets where global energy companies and traders can fleece consumers. Fact is you are their target and GW is their excuse.
FOR THOSE WITH ADHD, IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE ON THIS WALL OF TEXT READ THE FOLLOWING PART
Every once and a while some one let's it slip out what the real game is. That happened today on CNBC when Mark Fisher, of MBF Asset Management, talked about the future of energy. He said
"It’s comical or ironic that every government is trying to regulate the price of energy, and in some way down the line the price of energy is going to regulate all these governments." http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1 … amp;play=1 at minute 2:10
That's the real game that's at foot. Its about the control of govts and the control of democracies through the control of energy and the only way they get to do that is if we let them. Even if you are a pro-GWer, you need to realize how you are being used, you only have this "opportunity" to effect economic change because govts and global business leaders have permitted you that opportunity. But, don't think for one instance that you have any chance of effecting any change that will benefit you or people like you. You can be idealistic about the environment, just don't let yourself be used to destroy your future standard of living or the freedoms that you now enjoy because you live in a democracy that can control corporate entities because you will lose all that if these people succeed. The GW game has been cooked, and you're just a pawn. Remember that guys words, it also kind of comical, because the jokes on you.
IMO what we need is more nuclear power, push the nuclear agenda and these people will lose control of their purchase.
Now usually on the other threads the reply I get is "blah blah GW is a scientific fact you denier answer." So this thread is not about the science of Global Warming, this thread is about the potential threat from global corporate control of energy and the use of Global Warming by these groups to pursue those ends.
So where this all starts for me is in 1998 when I met someone at a lecture who told me about being at a Bilderberger Group meeting. Mind you this meeting was in 1996 or 1997. At that meeting world leaders, top bureaucrats and industrial leaders were talking about using peoples' support on environmental issues to control energy in order to create new revenue streams for governments and profits for industry. Since Al Gore was VP during Clintons first term, I imagine he was probably there. Anyway, this was in 1996 or 1997 and about 10 years before an inconvenient truth, and long before government grant money started flowing into climate change/environmental science studies.
GW is the poster child of big industry and big government. Global corporations and global traders want to gain control, or otherwise be outside of the control of govenrments, and as we saw with ENRON in the California electricity crisis, a corporation can make governmental action sterile if the corporation can get out side of the reach of that govts regulatory jurisdiction.
That's what the global energy companies are pushing for. With trading regimes like The ENRON Loophole, or other measures like the high frequency energy trading, or funneling paper oil contracts in Euros through China, then selling them to the US in order to falsify global demand and then making another profit on the currency carry trade because funneling paper oil contracts through China based on Euros caused the US dollar to devalue. Thankfully that trade is now breaking down with the fall of the Euro and these people have momentarily lost their grip on oil.
Now cap and trade is the next step. It will in effect be an inverse energy market. When energy commodities increase in value, carbon credit will go down. when energy decreases, carbon credits will increase. It will set the floor on energy and permit traders to ratchet up energy prices. And Governments will make revenue on selling the carbon credits in the first instance.
Cap and trade is what those people had in mind in 1996 when then were talking about using environmental issues to create new markets and revenue streams outside of govermental regulatory control. Governemnts have sunk billions into GW research in order to create a platform from which it could propose creating new private markets where global energy companies and traders can fleece consumers. Fact is you are their target and GW is their excuse.
FOR THOSE WITH ADHD, IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE ON THIS WALL OF TEXT READ THE FOLLOWING PART
Every once and a while some one let's it slip out what the real game is. That happened today on CNBC when Mark Fisher, of MBF Asset Management, talked about the future of energy. He said
"It’s comical or ironic that every government is trying to regulate the price of energy, and in some way down the line the price of energy is going to regulate all these governments." http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1 … amp;play=1 at minute 2:10
That's the real game that's at foot. Its about the control of govts and the control of democracies through the control of energy and the only way they get to do that is if we let them. Even if you are a pro-GWer, you need to realize how you are being used, you only have this "opportunity" to effect economic change because govts and global business leaders have permitted you that opportunity. But, don't think for one instance that you have any chance of effecting any change that will benefit you or people like you. You can be idealistic about the environment, just don't let yourself be used to destroy your future standard of living or the freedoms that you now enjoy because you live in a democracy that can control corporate entities because you will lose all that if these people succeed. The GW game has been cooked, and you're just a pawn. Remember that guys words, it also kind of comical, because the jokes on you.
IMO what we need is more nuclear power, push the nuclear agenda and these people will lose control of their purchase.
