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2010-05-19 06:46:09
Spark
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lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:


and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
How do you know this?

How do you know that it was the moderates who were taking to violence and not just protesting?
Yer right, I don't know, but  I feel confident that the riots included more than bussed in Al Queda operatives from Afghanistan training camps... Just an assumption I admit.
...

not al qaeda does not imply moderate...

just like muslim does not imply radical
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-19 06:55:51
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


nope, what I am saying, and you seem to be excusing is, if they are going to start blowing shit up, and killing people, the last straw was a cartoon. Before that moderates were not involved in the "conflicts". It took a cartoon to involve them
Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
Not dismissing it, it's just not very plausible that the cartoons alone made the difference ... you asume moderate muslims took to violence based on the cartoons alone and I doubt it ... maybe a few but not the masses ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 07:11:14
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
Not dismissing it, it's just not very plausible that the cartoons alone made the difference ... you asume moderate muslims took to violence based on the cartoons alone and I doubt it ... maybe a few but not the masses ...
lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
2010-05-19 07:15:19
Spark
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but do you actually have any evidence? or is it just a feeling?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-19 07:15:28
M.O.A.B
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LostFate wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

LostFate wrote:


I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
How was nuking nagasaki and hiroshima a mistake?
I think killing 250,000 approx people, mainly innocent civilians is quite frankly a fuck up.
Was either that or several million and a prolonged war.
2010-05-19 07:17:43
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
Not dismissing it, it's just not very plausible that the cartoons alone made the difference ... you asume moderate muslims took to violence based on the cartoons alone and I doubt it ... maybe a few but not the masses ...
lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 07:19:35
pace51
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Actually, its against the Muslim laws to depict the prophet Mohammed in pictures. Therefore, they see this as blasphemy and it is downright disrespectful. And then Mohammed gets compared to a dog? Certain people went crazy. They shouldn't, though. Don't you think that the artist will get his "just deserts" when he dies, though?

Last edited by pace51 (2010-05-19 07:20:08)

2010-05-19 07:19:55
13rin
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Not dismissing it, it's just not very plausible that the cartoons alone made the difference ... you asume moderate muslims took to violence based on the cartoons alone and I doubt it ... maybe a few but not the masses ...
lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
Yea... For all we know that caroonist could have owed them money....Right?  /srcsm.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2010-05-19 07:21:04
M.O.A.B
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pace51 wrote:

Actually, its against the Muslim laws to depict the prophet Mohammed in pictures. Therefore, they see this as blasphemy and it is downright disrespectful. And then Mohammed gets compared to a dog? Certain people went crazy. They shouldn't, though. Don't you think that the artist will get his "just deserts" when he dies, though?
Ironically there were a fair few images of him produced by Muslims. I forget the dates, but the rule against showing idol's is not as old as the religion itself.
2010-05-19 07:21:50
Mekstizzle
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pace51 wrote:

Actually, its against the Muslim laws to depict the prophet Mohammed in pictures. Therefore, they see this as blasphemy and it is downright disrespectful. And then Mohammed gets compared to a dog? Certain people went crazy. They shouldn't, though. Don't you think that the artist will get his "just deserts" when he dies, though?
Yeah that's all fair and shit about having their depiction laws, but there's no need to resort to violence and threats over it. That crosses the line, and skulls need to start being cracked once that line is crossed. As with all other criminals and such.

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2010-05-19 07:22:53
pace51
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You're probably right, but Muslims on the most part were not hypocrites. One or two blasphemers doesn't speak for the whole population. I tottally understand what you're getting at though.
2010-05-19 07:27:27
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Not dismissing it, it's just not very plausible that the cartoons alone made the difference ... you asume moderate muslims took to violence based on the cartoons alone and I doubt it ... maybe a few but not the masses ...
lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
They didn't take to violence BEFORE the cartoons Varegg, and they weren't screaming anything except death to those that print pictures of the prophet. 2 plus 2 does equal 4 ya know.
2010-05-19 07:33:17
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
They didn't take to violence BEFORE the cartoons Varegg, and they weren't screaming anything except death to those that print pictures of the prophet. 2 plus 2 does equal 4 ya know.
How do you know that?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 07:46:43
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
They didn't take to violence BEFORE the cartoons Varegg, and they weren't screaming anything except death to those that print pictures of the prophet. 2 plus 2 does equal 4 ya know.
How do you know that?
yeah reah, Ruis, and I also can't prove the sky the sky is blue either, or that gravity exists.
2010-05-19 07:55:29
cpt.fass1
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It's not even a real Law..

For Fucks sake, our freedom of speech and press is one of the staples of our culture. Fuck ALL religions and dumbasses who would go after that.

Look at what happened to the Catholic church after years of keeping the Priesthoods abuse silent(through pressure), it didn't destroy them but they certainly have lost alot of credibility in my eyes.
2010-05-19 07:57:50
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


They didn't take to violence BEFORE the cartoons Varegg, and they weren't screaming anything except death to those that print pictures of the prophet. 2 plus 2 does equal 4 ya know.
How do you know that?
yeah reah, Ruis, and I also can't prove the sky the sky is blue either, or that gravity exists.
Hm ... seems there are lots of very simple things you can't do ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 11:12:35
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


How do you know that?
yeah reah, Ruis, and I also can't prove the sky the sky is blue either, or that gravity exists.
Hm ... seems there are lots of very simple things you can't do ...
guess not, but I do know I do not need to prove the obvious.
2010-05-19 17:27:19
Turquoise
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lowing wrote:

I agree, and since there is a shit load of people that fit this demographic, I think it is time the Euroweenies in here as well as some Ameritrash stop kidding themselves as to the potential threat posed by them. It does not take much to turn a "moderate" into a "radical", as is shown god damn near daily and in this OP.
Restricting immigration from certain countries would be a good start.
2010-05-19 17:29:17
Turquoise
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LostFate wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

LostFate wrote:

I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
How was nuking nagasaki and hiroshima a mistake?
I think killing 250,000 approx people, mainly innocent civilians is quite frankly a fuck up.
It was mostly a show of power.  We wanted to end the war very quickly while at the same time scare the shit out of the Soviets.

By the way, we killed far more Japanese with firebombs than with nukes.  Had we really wanted to, we could have probably wiped the Japanese off of the face of the earth with firebombs, because their air defense sucked, and their buildings were very vulnerable to fire.

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2010-05-19 22:06:41
Spark
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Turquoise wrote:

LostFate wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


How was nuking nagasaki and hiroshima a mistake?
I think killing 250,000 approx people, mainly innocent civilians is quite frankly a fuck up.
It was mostly a show of power.  We wanted to end the war very quickly while at the same time scare the shit out of the Soviets.

By the way, we killed far more Japanese with firebombs than with nukes.  Had we really wanted to, we could have probably wiped the Japanese off of the face of the earth with firebombs, because their air defense sucked, and their buildings were very vulnerable to fire.
Indeed. A single raid on Tokyo killed at least twice as many people than both the bombs.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-19 22:31:21
seymorebutts443
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Spark wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

LostFate wrote:


I think killing 250,000 approx people, mainly innocent civilians is quite frankly a fuck up.
It was mostly a show of power.  We wanted to end the war very quickly while at the same time scare the shit out of the Soviets.

By the way, we killed far more Japanese with firebombs than with nukes.  Had we really wanted to, we could have probably wiped the Japanese off of the face of the earth with firebombs, because their air defense sucked, and their buildings were very vulnerable to fire.
Indeed. A single raid on Tokyo killed at least twice as many people than both the bombs.
the initial blast did less than the firebombs, it was the after effects that we're the deal breakers. Radiation poisoning, burn victims, deformed babys.
2010-05-20 00:36:17
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


yeah reah, Ruis, and I also can't prove the sky the sky is blue either, or that gravity exists.
Hm ... seems there are lots of very simple things you can't do ...
guess not, but I do know I do not need to prove the obvious.
Just remember that if it seems obvious to you doesn't mean it is the correct asumption ... I find it strange that you have such strong opinions just based on those asumptions ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-20 01:57:07
Spark
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seymorebutts443 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


It was mostly a show of power.  We wanted to end the war very quickly while at the same time scare the shit out of the Soviets.

By the way, we killed far more Japanese with firebombs than with nukes.  Had we really wanted to, we could have probably wiped the Japanese off of the face of the earth with firebombs, because their air defense sucked, and their buildings were very vulnerable to fire.
Indeed. A single raid on Tokyo killed at least twice as many people than both the bombs.
the initial blast did less than the firebombs, it was the after effects that we're the deal breakers. Radiation poisoning, burn victims, deformed babys.
The 250k figure includes those.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-20 02:23:25
Spark
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


lol and yet, that is what happened.....it is called denial Varegg, watch out for it.
You are the one in denial when you refuse to accept that there could be other underlying issues to why they took to violence ... you say it's because of the cartoons alone yet you have nothing to back it up ...
They didn't take to violence BEFORE the cartoons Varegg, and they weren't screaming anything except death to those that print pictures of the prophet. 2 plus 2 does equal 4 ya know.
does the phrase correlation does not imply causation mean nothing to you...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-20 04:45:56
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Hm ... seems there are lots of very simple things you can't do ...
guess not, but I do know I do not need to prove the obvious.
Just remember that if it seems obvious to you doesn't mean it is the correct asumption ... I find it strange that you have such strong opinions just based on those asumptions ...
Really, so honestly believe that those that took to the streets were mostly bussed in from Afghanistan and that they were not locals? do you honeslty believe that, or is this an attempt at an argument?

 

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