nope not dismissed or denied, I acknowlege he is quoted as saying that very thing, I merely point out, it has little ot do with the fact that it is STILL associated with Islam.Bertster7 wrote:
Dismiss - check.lowing wrote:
Yeah I read that, and it is irrelevant, because regardless of what he says, it is associated with Islamic culture.Jaekus wrote:
Dimiss once more...
also,is Sharia Law mentioned in the Koran, if not are you now going to maintain it has nothing to do with Islam?
Deny - check.
Yes, you associate it with Islam.
Deny... check once more.
Deny... check once more.
unfortunately, just like you did with Uzi and his "brilliant post", you have proven you praise anything against me, regardless of content. Not a very good indicator of your "open mindedness", that you claim you hold so valuable.Jaekus wrote:
+1Bertster7 wrote:
Dismiss - check.lowing wrote:
Yeah I read that, and it is irrelevant, because regardless of what he says, it is associated with Islamic culture.
also,is Sharia Law mentioned in the Koran, if not are you now going to maintain it has nothing to do with Islam?
Deny - check.
There has been no dismissal or denial, but a rebuttal., now if you please address that rebuttal.
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
Nice trolling tactic.
Actually I do not, you might wanna do some reading, and see for yourself why you can not pull up genital mutilation without Islam being mentioned. Or do you think I wrote all of it? You are also leaving out persecution of gays and women, stonings, and executions for comparatively trivial offenses. Let me guess, none of it associated with Islamic culture?Jaekus wrote:
Yes, you associate it with Islam.
Deny... check once more.
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which fact was that? You are a master at being dancing around. Stand still and address the questionsJaekus wrote:
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
WHat about Christmas not being in the bible? It is a direct comparison that you say is not in the Koran. Yet both have actions associated with each of them
What about the rest of it, stonings, and persecution of gays and women, are these not part Islamic culture, regardless if it is the Koran?
Once again I refer you to points and links of the previous page.
And again, since you fail to notice:
And again, since you fail to notice:
Jaekus wrote:
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
and once more, I addressed it, regardless of what he says, It is a fact it is associated with Islamic culture, the real question is, why would that be?Jaekus wrote:
Once again I refer you to points and links of the previous page.
And again, since you fail to notice:Jaekus wrote:
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
Can you not read simple sentences? Christmas is a Christian holiday, you could consider it so by definition of it's name.lowing wrote:
which fact was that? You are a master at being dancing around. Stand still and address the questionsJaekus wrote:
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
WHat about Christmas not being in the bible? It is a direct comparison that you say is not in the Koran. Yet both have actions associated with each of them
If you go outside and look around you'll notice all the Christian church services held on Christmas for this very reason.
What about discussing what we are already discussing and you stopping trolling this topic further?What about the rest of it, stonings, and persecution of gays and women, are these not part Islamic culture, regardless if it is the Koran?
Ahhh but based on your argument Christmas is NOT in the bible, so how could it be Christian? Likewise, regardless of FGM, or sharia law itself, not mentioned in the Koran, it is still part of Islamic culture. SO in this your argument fails.Jaekus wrote:
Can you not read simple sentences? Christmas is a Christian holiday, you could consider it so by definition of it's name.lowing wrote:
which fact was that? You are a master at being dancing around. Stand still and address the questionsJaekus wrote:
Deny once more the facts already presented to you.
Nice trolling tactic.
WHat about Christmas not being in the bible? It is a direct comparison that you say is not in the Koran. Yet both have actions associated with each of them
If you go outside and look around you'll notice all the Christian church services held on Christmas for this very reason.What about discussing what we are already discussing and you stopping trolling this topic further?What about the rest of it, stonings, and persecution of gays and women, are these not part Islamic culture, regardless if it is the Koran?
I am discussing it, I have been discussing it, I have been presenting an argument, I have acknowledged the denial that these things are in the Koran, however, as already stated, neither is Christmas, yet it is still Christian, you said so yourself. Your argument that if it is not in the holy books than it is not part of the religion or culture is inconsistent.
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You dismiss his expert opinion.lowing wrote:
nope not dismissed or denied, I acknowlege he is quoted as saying that very thing, I merely point out, it has little ot do with the fact that it is STILL associated with Islam.Bertster7 wrote:
Dismiss - check.lowing wrote:
Yeah I read that, and it is irrelevant, because regardless of what he says, it is associated with Islamic culture.
also,is Sharia Law mentioned in the Koran, if not are you now going to maintain it has nothing to do with Islam?
Deny - check.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.lowing wrote:
nope not dismissed or denied, I acknowlege he is quoted as saying that very thing, I merely point out, it has little ot do with the fact that it is STILL associated with Islam.Bertster7 wrote:
Dismiss - check.
Deny - check.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
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Please learn to read and not to troll.lowing wrote:
Ahhh but based on your argument Christmas is NOT in the bible, so how could it be Christian? Likewise, regardless of FGM, or sharia law itself, not mentioned in the Koran, it is still part of Islamic culture. SO in this your argument fails.Jaekus wrote:
Can you not read simple sentences? Christmas is a Christian holiday, you could consider it so by definition of it's name.lowing wrote:
which fact was that? You are a master at being dancing around. Stand still and address the questions
WHat about Christmas not being in the bible? It is a direct comparison that you say is not in the Koran. Yet both have actions associated with each of them
If you go outside and look around you'll notice all the Christian church services held on Christmas for this very reason.What about discussing what we are already discussing and you stopping trolling this topic further?What about the rest of it, stonings, and persecution of gays and women, are these not part Islamic culture, regardless if it is the Koran?
I am discussing it, I have been discussing it, I have been presenting an argument, I have acknowledged the denial that these things are in the Koran, however, as already stated, neither is Christmas, yet it is still Christian, you said so yourself. Your argument that if it is not in the holy books than it is not part of the religion or culture is inconsistent.
Seeing as you're lacking in the understanding department, it's time for a little explanation.
Christmas is a Christian holiday. Christians themselves define it as such. Bible aside, the Pope holds a Christmas service. Therefore it has a religious context.
FMG/C is a cultural practice. Islamic religious leaders have condemned it, therefore it has no religious context.
I still wait for your response to further show how you continue to miss this point, and I will continue to patiently explain it to you.
He posts in similar fashion so I'm just giving back what he demonstrates.
That.lowing wrote:
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.lowing wrote:
nope not dismissed or denied, I acknowlege he is quoted as saying that very thing, I merely point out, it has little ot do with the fact that it is STILL associated with Islam.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
Is awful logic.
How does someone saying "X is not associated with Y" imply "X is associated with Y" in any way, shape or form? That is a pure contradiction, as clear as they come.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Because of idiots who think it has some connection with Islam. I can assure you there are some people foolish enough to believe that is the case.lowing wrote:
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.lowing wrote:
nope not dismissed or denied, I acknowlege he is quoted as saying that very thing, I merely point out, it has little ot do with the fact that it is STILL associated with Islam.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
Indeed.Spark wrote:
That.lowing wrote:
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
Is awful logic.
How does someone saying "X is not associated with Y" imply "X is associated with Y" in any way, shape or form? That is a pure contradiction, as clear as they come.
Because lowing has raised stoning, FGM/C, rape, murder and Islam, then applying the same logic presented, lowing must be associated with all these things. Which would be a ridiculous, retarded twisting of logic, would it not?
Whats interesting is he associates all this mediaeval stuff with Islam, but not Christianity and Judaism.
Insert video of Sarah Palin saying the Ten Commandments are the core of the US constitution here.
Insert video of Sarah Palin saying the Ten Commandments are the core of the US constitution here.
Fuck Israel
the world is better off without religion. period.
cant argue that tbh
cant argue that tbh
Agreed.11 Bravo wrote:
the world is better off without religion. period.
cant argue that tbh
Nun porn?11 Bravo wrote:
the world is better off without religion. period.
cant argue that tbh
Fuck Israel
Christians adopted the holiday, I don't give a flying fuck what the Pope or Christians do, they have no biblcal reference base to celebrate Christmas, and yet, as you keep pointing out, they have their religious holiday. CHristians also confess to a priest, there is no biblical reference for this either, yet, they do it. Plenty of examples where non-scripture practices find their way into traditions and customs of certain religions. Islam just appears to adopted the most fucked up of these. Don't blame me.Jaekus wrote:
Please learn to read and not to troll.lowing wrote:
Ahhh but based on your argument Christmas is NOT in the bible, so how could it be Christian? Likewise, regardless of FGM, or sharia law itself, not mentioned in the Koran, it is still part of Islamic culture. SO in this your argument fails.Jaekus wrote:
Can you not read simple sentences? Christmas is a Christian holiday, you could consider it so by definition of it's name.lowing wrote:
which fact was that? You are a master at being dancing around. Stand still and address the questions
WHat about Christmas not being in the bible? It is a direct comparison that you say is not in the Koran. Yet both have actions associated with each of them
If you go outside and look around you'll notice all the Christian church services held on Christmas for this very reason.
What about discussing what we are already discussing and you stopping trolling this topic further?
I am discussing it, I have been discussing it, I have been presenting an argument, I have acknowledged the denial that these things are in the Koran, however, as already stated, neither is Christmas, yet it is still Christian, you said so yourself. Your argument that if it is not in the holy books than it is not part of the religion or culture is inconsistent.
Seeing as you're lacking in the understanding department, it's time for a little explanation.
Christmas is a Christian holiday. Christians themselves define it as such. Bible aside, the Pope holds a Christmas service. Therefore it has a religious context.
FMG/C is a cultural practice. Islamic religious leaders have condemned it, therefore it has no religious context.
I still wait for your response to further show how you continue to miss this point, and I will continue to patiently explain it to you.
FGM is a cultural practice, and since Islam is cultural as much as it is religious, it also is a practice that can be adopted culturally. It does not need a religious reference to do so. JUST LIKE CHRISTMAS!!
Now, for your guy to come out and defend Islam regarding FGM, should be an indicator to you that that practice has been adopted culturally by Islamic nations. For if it were not, there would be no reason for him to even bring it up now would there?
You are also failing to address that Sharia Law is not in the Koran, yet seem to be a part of Islamic culture. How could that possibly be, based on your argument that all things practiced within a religion must have a religious context? Could it be that Sharia Law, like stonings, FGM, honor killings and all of the other barbaric practiced found within Islam does not need a religious context, that a cultural context would exist to explain these things?
By the way, your condescending, smart ass, superior attitude regarding debating is not only annoying, it is also childish and does little to bolster your argument. For if you had a good argument such tactics and approaches would not be necessary. So do me a favor and stow it already.
OK so you think it makes perfect sense for this guy to come out and defend Islam against this practice, IF Islam was not associated with this practice in the first place? What reason would he have for doing this then?Spark wrote:
That.lowing wrote:
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.
Is awful logic.
How does someone saying "X is not associated with Y" imply "X is associated with Y" in any way, shape or form? That is a pure contradiction, as clear as they come.
actually I do not post or argue in such a condescending manner, and I would appreciate it if you would stop. It is a common practice with you that gets old quick.Jaekus wrote:
He posts in similar fashion so I'm just giving back what he demonstrates.
Yeah, they just made it up huh?Bertster7 wrote:
Because of idiots who think it has some connection with Islam. I can assure you there are some people foolish enough to believe that is the case.lowing wrote:
I did not dismiss his "expert" opinion. The very fact that he even had to say something like that pretty much proves it is associated with Islam. If it were not, why would he even need to mention it? Get real.Bertster7 wrote:
You dismiss his expert opinion.
You then state it is associated with Islam without any supporting evidence to back that up.