Sorry I never conceded shit, but I am not going to play like there is not an illegal immigration problem in AZ and I am not going to pretend the illegals are from Sweden.eleven bravo wrote:
way to concede the point
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Should Arizona rename itself to "Nazi-zona"?
| Yes | 28% | 28% - 13 | ||||
| No | 71% | 71% - 33 | ||||
| Total: 46 | ||||||
you keep saying that but what's your point?west-phoenix-az wrote:
It's obvious many still haven't read the bill.
enemy troll spottedeleven bravo wrote:
its obvious you DONT know any law enforcement officers even though you say you do
Im serious dude. its obvious. youre really naive. then again, you are from AZ so that explains it.
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no, you, like Henry Louis Gates for example, want to turn every inconvenience into a race issue. It didn't take too long to prove that asshole wrong, but it didn't stop all of the roaches from coming out of the wood work screaming racism and posing death threats to the woman who called the police trying to protect her neighbor. After the truth came out all the roaches scurried back into the woodwork without an apology and went back into hiding until the next time they perceive racism, where they will again come out screaming without an ounce of facts, or knowledge as to what the fuck they are talking about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It gives the police another reason to harass the hispanic populace. It's obvious you (lowing) have never been pulled over for spurious reasons but for people who have it's painfully obvious how this law could be misused.
No I'm not. Are there bad police who break the law? Of course. Is that a reason to not have this law? Absolutely not!eleven bravo wrote:
Im serious dude. its obvious. youre really naive. then again, you are from AZ so that explains it.
If you are a citizen and stopped for a "legal" reason you will need to prove who you are. That's nothing new. If you don't have ID you provide your name, address and social security number. You are identified as a citizen and the "investigation" proceeds.
I know some cops profile, not only race, but clothing, the vehicle you drive, they neighborhood you are in, etc. We need a law to crack down on illegal immigrants in Arizona. If you don't think we do then you are naive.
How do you propose Arizona gets rid of the illegals if you don't like this law?
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white mans burden eh
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yepeleven bravo wrote:
citizens burden eh
bud, a police officer could stop anybody for no reason at all.west-phoenix-az wrote:
No I'm not. Are there bad police who break the law? Of course. Is that a reason to not have this law? Absolutely not!eleven bravo wrote:
Im serious dude. its obvious. youre really naive. then again, you are from AZ so that explains it.
If you are a citizen and stopped for a "legal" reason you will need to prove who you are. That's nothing new. If you don't have ID you provide your name, address and social security number. You are identified as a citizen and the "investigation" proceeds.
I know some cops profile, not only race, but clothing, the vehicle you drive, they neighborhood you are in, etc. We need a law to crack down on illegal immigrants in Arizona. If you don't think we do then you are naive.
How do you propose Arizona gets rid of the illegals if you don't like this law?
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wasnt addressing you but im glad to know being white=citizen to you. glad we're progressing here.west-phoenix-az wrote:
yepeleven bravo wrote:
citizens burden eh
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jesus christ for the 5th time, eleven bravo....how were so unfairly treated?
No, I don't want to turn it into a race issue. The law itself is based on race because it states the police can ask for documentation for anyone "who looks like an illegal alien".lowing wrote:
no, you, like Henry Louis Gates for example, want to turn every inconvenience into a race issue. It didn't take too long to prove that asshole wrong, but it didn't stop all of the roaches from coming out of the wood work screaming racism and posing death threats to the woman who called the police trying to protect her neighbor. After the truth came out all the roaches scurried back into the woodwork without an apology and went back into hiding until the next time they perceive racism, where they will again come out screaming without an ounce of facts, or knowledge as to what the fuck they are talking about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It gives the police another reason to harass the hispanic populace. It's obvious you (lowing) have never been pulled over for spurious reasons but for people who have it's painfully obvious how this law could be misused.
Please don't bother with your timeless exercise of telling me what my argument is. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions, I don't need you to do that for me.
Argument goes from illegal immigration law in arizona -> henry louis gates...are you on drugs?
Perhaps we could argue the merits of the law targeting those who "look like illegal immigrants" aka 'look mexican' instead of your inane diatribes?
illegal alien is not a race.......if you want to make it a race issue and scream racism and racial profiling where it does not exist, then henry louis gates is a perfect example.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, I don't want to turn it into a race issue. The law itself is based on race because it states the police can ask for documentation for anyone "who looks like an illegal alien".lowing wrote:
no, you, like Henry Louis Gates for example, want to turn every inconvenience into a race issue. It didn't take too long to prove that asshole wrong, but it didn't stop all of the roaches from coming out of the wood work screaming racism and posing death threats to the woman who called the police trying to protect her neighbor. After the truth came out all the roaches scurried back into the woodwork without an apology and went back into hiding until the next time they perceive racism, where they will again come out screaming without an ounce of facts, or knowledge as to what the fuck they are talking about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It gives the police another reason to harass the hispanic populace. It's obvious you (lowing) have never been pulled over for spurious reasons but for people who have it's painfully obvious how this law could be misused.
Please don't bother with your timeless exercise of telling me what my argument is. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions, I don't need you to do that for me.
Argument goes from illegal immigration law in arizona -> henry louis gates...are you on drugs?
Perhaps we could argue the merits of the law targeting those who "look like illegal immigrants" aka 'look mexican' instead of your inane diatribes?
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Where in the bill does it say this?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, I don't want to turn it into a race issue. The law itself is based on race because it states the police can ask for documentation for anyone "who looks like an illegal alien".
AZ SB1070 wrote:
11-1051. B. For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.
In regards to the OP and other comparisons with Nazis- considering the amount of time the Nazis were in power as well as the fact they were a legit government and poli party they had a bunch of postions and policies that were for the most part fairly pratical if not for a totally heartlesss agenda. In any case, the Nazis had a bunch of policies that were both lib and conservative, if you look hard enough you can find a connection with any party/policy and the Nazis and there isn't a single person here who doesn't have a postion that isn't shared with the Nazis. Comparing anyone or thing with the Nazis is fucking stupid unless they have the word Nazi in their or its name
Well, eleven bravo refuses to answer how he has been so unfairly mistreated by the police and now that the law is presented all you hear are crickets. go figure.
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You know, the people who seem to be the most against this bill are the same people who feel that nationalism is stupid (which I agree with to a certain extent) and also want all borders lowered and eventually a one world government. Well, the latter two will never happen but they'll keep on throwing molotov cocktails at G20 summits etc. and if we ever were invaded... well, they'd be the ones collaborating with the enemy. If you hate this country so much, gtfo.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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you were saying dipshit?lowing wrote:
Well, eleven bravo refuses to answer how he has been so unfairly mistreated by the police and now that the law is presented all you hear are crickets. go figure.
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
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you were answering other posts long AFTER several attempts to get you to answer my question. I do not need a fuckin term paper, briefly, how have you been unfairly mistreated?eleven bravo wrote:
you were saying dipshit?lowing wrote:
Well, eleven bravo refuses to answer how he has been so unfairly mistreated by the police and now that the law is presented all you hear are crickets. go figure.
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
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That's a shitty story man but do you think it had more to do with the neighborhood you were in rather than color of your skin? Did your car not fit in or something? In my experience, cop harassment has more to do with someone being 'out of place'.eleven bravo wrote:
you were saying dipshit?
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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lol wow. no i wasnt but i should have expected a response like this from you lowing. this is why I try not to take the time to address you seriously. youve been owned
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Don't be a douche, read the thing.lowing wrote:
you were answering other posts long AFTER several attempts to get you to answer my question. I do not need a fuckin term paper, briefly, how have you been unfairly mistreated?eleven bravo wrote:
you were saying dipshit?lowing wrote:
Well, eleven bravo refuses to answer how he has been so unfairly mistreated by the police and now that the law is presented all you hear are crickets. go figure.
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
not at all. I grew up here. I live 5 houses and across the street from where this shit took place. its a shitty shitty neighborhood where I figure this bitch just wanted to get off work early by filling the rest of her shift time with writing my arrest report.JohnG@lt wrote:
That's a shitty story man but do you think it had more to do with the neighborhood you were in rather than color of your skin? Did your car not fit in or something? In my experience, cop harassment has more to do with someone being 'out of place'.eleven bravo wrote:
you were saying dipshit?
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
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Women cops, like women NCOs, are just shitheads all around man. They've always got something to prove and will never ever in a million years admit they are wrong.eleven bravo wrote:
not at all. I grew up here. I live 5 houses and across the street from where this shit took place. its a shitty shitty neighborhood where I figure this bitch just wanted to get off work early by filling the rest of her shift time with writing my arrest report.JohnG@lt wrote:
That's a shitty story man but do you think it had more to do with the neighborhood you were in rather than color of your skin? Did your car not fit in or something? In my experience, cop harassment has more to do with someone being 'out of place'.eleven bravo wrote:
you were saying dipshit?
go figure these nuts in your mouth
sorry it took me 30 minutes to write a page and a half. I didnt know you were on the edge of your seat.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
not to mention the last two times I was pulled over I wasnt even given a reason for it, they just asked me for my drivers license (no insurance, no registration) and let me on my merry way
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