Teacher beats student.

2010-04-26 10:20:20

#1

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6289|Vortex Ring State

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 643553.stm

IMO, student was really being a d-bag, but the teacher overreacted.

A couple years ago, one of my science teachers told the story of how his gym teacher dealt with a similar situation when he was a student.

He cleared the rest of the class out of the room and told the disrespecting student that if he really wanted to behave in that manner, he should hit him right there and then. The student hit him pretty hard, but then the teacher knocked him flat.

IMO that's what the teacher should have done. Could be justified as self-defense.

2010-04-26 10:21:48

#2

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7006

Kids these days need their ass kicked.

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2010-04-26 10:23:46

#3

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5469|Sydney

Hmm, maybe a plea of temporary insanity might reduce his prison sentence, in the light of the comment "it was like watching myself on tv".
The teacher is pretty fucked though, in his position of responsibility he totally lost it.

Last edited by Jaekus (2010-04-26 10:24:52)

2010-04-26 10:25:42

#4

SEREVENT: MASSIVE G STAR; +605|6398|Birmingham, UK

my politics teacher first started teaching at some dump of an inner city school where someone lit a guy's turban on fire, then when the teacher told him to get out, he threw a chair at the teacher and broke his nose. so then the teacher dragged him to the head teacher's room and HE was suspended for mis treating a student!

btw i didn't read the article before posting that but nothing could be much worse than that

2010-04-26 10:26:28

#5

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6761

duress or diminished responsibility, depending on whether or not they press forward with murderous intent, or just leave it at GBH. jaekus, you can only plead insanity to a sure-fire charge of murder under english common law; it reduces the charge to manslaughter. nobody died so he doesn't have insanity. lesser defenses for offenses against the person (i.e. ABH/GBH section 18, GBH section 20) exist.

he has a mitigating factor in his defense, at least. but then again... professional capacity, trusted adult-teacher role, children under his responsibility... will be an interesting case. he'll have to make a big defense, and rightfully so. the circumstantial evidence does make it seem as though he had some deep-running mental cause, though.

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2010-04-26 10:26:42

#6

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7006

Jaekus wrote:
Hmm, maybe a plea of temporary insanity might reduce his prison sentence, in the light of the comment "it was like watching myself on tv".
The teacher is pretty fucked though, in his position of responsibility he totally lost it.

When you think about it, the kids in his class mustve pissed him off for a VERY VERY VERY long time. Fucks sakes the guy is 50 years old, and they have patience like a fucking rock.

2010-04-26 10:27:19

#7

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|6917|UK

Cybargs wrote:
Kids these days need their ass kicked.

Maybe a little harsh though ....

A science teacher beat a pupil around the head with a dumbbell while shouting "die, die, die"

2010-04-26 10:27:42

#8

jord: Member; +2,382|6968|The North, beyond the wall.

My teachers were far too apathetic to do anything like that.

Die die die. Lol.

2010-04-26 10:28:04

#9

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7006

liquidat0r wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Kids these days need their ass kicked.
Maybe a little harsh though ....
A science teacher beat a pupil around the head with a dumbbell while shouting "die, die, die"

I lolled actually. For some reason I thought the teacher could've been cougar lelz.

2010-04-26 10:29:16

#10

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5469|Sydney

Cybargs wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Hmm, maybe a plea of temporary insanity might reduce his prison sentence, in the light of the comment "it was like watching myself on tv".
The teacher is pretty fucked though, in his position of responsibility he totally lost it.
When you think about it, the kids in his class mustve pissed him off for a VERY VERY VERY long time. Fucks sakes the guy is 50 years old, and they have patience like a fucking rock.

Oh granted, but if he's at the point where he was laid off for saying he's at the verge of committing violence he should be looking for another job, or at the very least another school. Of course, it's easy to say in hindsight.

2010-04-26 10:31:34

#11

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7006

Jaekus wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Hmm, maybe a plea of temporary insanity might reduce his prison sentence, in the light of the comment "it was like watching myself on tv".
The teacher is pretty fucked though, in his position of responsibility he totally lost it.
When you think about it, the kids in his class mustve pissed him off for a VERY VERY VERY long time. Fucks sakes the guy is 50 years old, and they have patience like a fucking rock.
Oh granted, but if he's at the point where he was laid off for saying he's at the verge of committing violence he should be looking for another job, or at the very least another school. Of course, it's easy to say in hindsight.

Still, kid deserved it.

2010-04-26 10:32:58

#12

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5469|Sydney

Just makes you wonder how much grief they were giving the guy for him to react in such a fashion.

2010-04-26 10:33:36

#13

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6761

the fact this case is now in the media will mean the poor guy probably wont get a fair-trial, anyway.

the judges will fall too heavily on the cause of protecting public interest / satisfying popular-common morality, as opposed to considering it as a symptom of a serious mental illness or state of mind under duress. the fact that we're discussing it on a public internet forum means that justice has been perverted already, sadly.

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2010-04-26 10:36:47

#14

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5469|Sydney

Uzique wrote:
the fact this case is now in the media will mean the poor guy probably wont get a fair-trial, anyway.

the judges will fall too heavily on the cause of protecting public interest / satisfying popular-common morality, as opposed to considering it as a symptom of a serious mental illness or state of mind under duress. the fact that we're discussing it on a public internet forum means that justice has been perverted already, sadly.

Wouldn't the case be put forward to a jury? In which case they would be minimised from reading/hearing media speculation and reports on the case?
Slim hope though, man he'll need a damn good lawyer to keep him out of prison.

2010-04-26 10:38:07

#15

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5648|London, England

He should hire Johnny Cochrane!

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2010-04-26 10:41:14

#16

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6761

Jaekus wrote:
Uzique wrote:
the fact this case is now in the media will mean the poor guy probably wont get a fair-trial, anyway.

the judges will fall too heavily on the cause of protecting public interest / satisfying popular-common morality, as opposed to considering it as a symptom of a serious mental illness or state of mind under duress. the fact that we're discussing it on a public internet forum means that justice has been perverted already, sadly.
Wouldn't the case be put forward to a jury? In which case they would be minimised from reading/hearing media speculation and reports on the case?
Slim hope though, man he'll need a damn good lawyer to keep him out of prison.

jurors are vetted but ultimately biased and susceptible to the baying cries of mob-justice

12 angry men all over again...

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2010-04-26 10:44:00

#17

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6790|so randum

the media will (metaphorically) see him swing.

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2010-04-26 10:47:15

#18

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5648|London, England

I wonder how many times "What if it were your son?" will be heard in the jury room...

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2010-04-26 14:55:56

#19

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6289|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:
I wonder how many times "What if it were your son?" will be heard in the jury room...

Defense Attorney: "Well my son would never do that..."

*gets call*

*quietly sits down*

2010-04-26 15:26:47

#20

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6656|California

you have to understand that they will mostly put the blame on teachers when its clearly the students fault because the school doesn't want to be sued

2010-04-26 15:29:08

#21

jord: Member; +2,382|6968|The North, beyond the wall.

=NHB=Shadow wrote:
you have to understand that they will mostly put the blame on teachers when its clearly the students fault because the school doesn't want to be sued

Troll of the minute.

2010-04-26 15:49:55

#22

tazz.: oz.; +1,339|6465|Sydney | ♥

Wow.. i loved my private school XD XD

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2010-04-26 15:58:31

#23

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6761

that was a catholic school, i.e. denominational and/or private

teacher-abuse at private schools is exponentially, considerably higher than it is in the public sector. they're law-makers unto themselves.

dumb post...

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2010-04-26 16:08:18

#24

tazz.: oz.; +1,339|6465|Sydney | ♥

our school was really good because of how strict it was..

You fucked up you got a friday afternoon detention, which lasted from 2:30 - 6.

If you didnt go, you got suspended, and if not, expelled.

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2010-04-26 16:12:25

#25

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6695|North Carolina

Cybargs wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
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When you think about it, the kids in his class mustve pissed him off for a VERY VERY VERY long time. Fucks sakes the guy is 50 years old, and they have patience like a fucking rock.
Oh granted, but if he's at the point where he was laid off for saying he's at the verge of committing violence he should be looking for another job, or at the very least another school. Of course, it's easy to say in hindsight.
Still, kid deserved it.

An ass kicking is one thing. Pummeling the kid in the head with a weight that leaves brain damage and could have easily killed him is quite literally... insane.

I hope the teacher goes to jail for a very long time.

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