BF2S Forums Arizona passes controversial illegal immigration bill

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

cant wait till white people are the minority

That's probably when the real hard racism will begin. You know when the well developed white group becomes a minority among a large undeveloped majority. Unless the current minority communities begin to show some improvement right now, I doubt it'll be very fun years.

Why does it have to be about race?

Why can't it be about citizenship. If we were to go to war against Mexico do you think the illegals would be on our fighting side?

I think that's the world population, so it's the same.. Besides Spanish people are white, durrr...

B.  For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.  Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released.  The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c).  A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.  A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1.  A valid Arizona driver license.

2.  A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

3.  A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

4.  If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

"Racial profiling is illegal. It is illegal in America, and it's certainly illegal in Arizona," Brewer said.

The bill is considered to be among the toughest immigration measures in the nation. Supporters say the measure is needed to fill a void left by the federal government's failure to enforce its immigration laws.

This week, its leading sponsor, state Sen. Russell Pearce, said, "Illegal is not a race; it's a crime."

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2010-04-23 15:35:41)

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I just wanna know how someone looks illegal. Obviously they can't fully disclose what they will use as a determinant, but what will cause a cop to ask you for your papers?

Lets be serious, only Mexicans, Filipinos, and Arabs are going to be seriously checked. The law wouldn't be bad if it just said "Everyone arrested will have to show proof of citizenship".

west-phoenix-az wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I just wanna know how someone looks illegal. Obviously they can't fully disclose what they will use as a determinant, but what will cause a cop to ask you for your papers?

B.  For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency

It's not lawful for an officer to just walk up to you and request your papers. You need to be doing something wrong, suspected of doing something wrong or reported as doing something wrong.

Last edited by eleven bravo (2010-04-23 15:42:48)

eleven bravo wrote:

dont know many police officers do ya?

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2010-04-23 15:49:41)

eleven bravo wrote:

as it is now, a police officer could stop you, detain you and book you without you having committed a single crime.  I know this from personal experience, from serving with LAPD, LASD, san gabriel PD and OCSD police officers in the army and from studying the law.  obstruction of justice is a cops arrest anyone card.  As long as the police report is worded in a way that would hold up in court, its solid gold evidence.

eleven bravo wrote:

as it is now, a police officer could stop you, detain you and book you without you having committed a single crime.  I know this from personal experience, from serving with LAPD, LASD, san gabriel PD and OCSD police officers in the army and from studying the law.  obstruction of justice is a cops arrest anyone card.  As long as the police report is worded in a way that would hold up in court, its solid gold evidence.

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/obama.immigration/index.html?hpt=T1

The bill requires immigrants  to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. It also targets those who hire illegal immigrant day laborers or knowingly transport them.

Previously, officers could check someone's immigration status if the person is suspected in another crime.

A lot of people are arguing that this is going to lead to nothing more than racial profiling... I agree. They say there won't be racial profiling but let's be real. A cop looking at a European-looking guy in a polo and shorts probably won't ask him for his green card, but a Mexican in raggedy work clothes will be asked.

I'm actually surprised that it requires you to carry your documents at all times... I thought that was already the law... at least, it is with green cards. I've had to keep mine on my person since I turned 18.

I support immigration reform, but not like this.