Took them long enough.13/f/taiwan wrote:
Bill won't pass. It's unconstitutional.
Well, if the feds revoke this bill, say goodbye to a lot of things you currently enjoy in this country -- namely your standard of living.
Infrastructures such as the social safety net will undoubtedly be trimmed if the underclass grows to a large enough portion of society. Cartels will increase in influence, and the kidnapping issues of Phoenix will spread.
It's really going to be a sad turning point for America if the combination of an insatiable desire for cheap labor and the naivete of the far left lead to a collapse of our public amenities, but it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen.
Oh yeah, and we can also look forward to a lot more racial tension in Arizona and various other border states as illegals will see this as a green light to push for amnesty.
Good luck guys, you're gonna need it.
Infrastructures such as the social safety net will undoubtedly be trimmed if the underclass grows to a large enough portion of society. Cartels will increase in influence, and the kidnapping issues of Phoenix will spread.
It's really going to be a sad turning point for America if the combination of an insatiable desire for cheap labor and the naivete of the far left lead to a collapse of our public amenities, but it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen.
Oh yeah, and we can also look forward to a lot more racial tension in Arizona and various other border states as illegals will see this as a green light to push for amnesty.
Good luck guys, you're gonna need it.
I would like to see what the supreme court rules. The Constitution says that the Federal Government is responsible for enemies foreign and domestic. I'm no Constitutional lawyer but its doesn't look good for Arizona's case.
I hope I'm wrong though.
I hope I'm wrong though.
Update: Mexican Drug Cartel Warns Police Officers in Arizona Border Town to 'Look the Other Way'
Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona
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Now why isn't this considered an act of war that would require real troops at the border?
Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona
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Now why isn't this considered an act of war that would require real troops at the border?
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Hey, if it stirs up enough shit to get the borders under control, I'm all for it.
On another note, anyone who has 'Supreme Ruler 2020' can actually simulate a war between Arizona and Mexico.
How many people will have to be murdered first?mtb0minime wrote:
Hey, if it stirs up enough shit to get the borders under control, I'm all for it.
Hopefully no one dies (aside from the cartel). They could heed the warning and station troops just in case. If shit goes down, shoot them up or arrest them, step up security. If some of our own die from these cartel guys, step up security.Harmor wrote:
How many people will have to be murdered first?mtb0minime wrote:
Hey, if it stirs up enough shit to get the borders under control, I'm all for it.
Either way, just that initial step of doing something about the matter instead of backing down should hopefully lead to a more secure border. Yes, tensions will rise, but we're talking about protecting our own country here.
I did it between Mexico and Texas...Mexico got stomped.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
On another note, anyone who has 'Supreme Ruler 2020' can actually simulate a war between Arizona and Mexico.
I swear... Pete Stark is a dumbass...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ … order.html
21 killed in rival Mexican gang shootout near U.S.-Ariz. border
Jul. 2, 2010 01:14 AM
Associated Press
HERMOSILLO, Mexico - A massive gun battle between rival drug and migrant trafficking gangs near the U.S. border Thursday left 21 people dead and at least six others wounded, prosecutors said.
The fire fight occurred in a sparsely populated area about 12 miles from the Arizona border, near the city of Nogales, that is considered a prime corridor for immigrant and drug smuggling.
The Sonora state Attorney General's Office said in a statement that nine people were captured by police at the scene of the shootings, six of whom had been wounded in the confrontation. Eight vehicles and seven weapons were also seized.
All of the victims were believed to be members of the gangs.
The shootings occurred near a dirt road between the hamlets of Tubutama and Saric, in an area often used by traffickers.
Gangs often fight for control of trafficking routes and sometimes steal "shipments" of undocumented migrants from each other, but seldom have they staged such mass gun battles.
Gang violence near the Arizona border has led to calls from officials in the U.S. state for greater control of the border and is one reason given for a controversial law passed in April requiring Arizona police to ask people about their immigration status in certain situations.
In a city on another part of the U.S. border, gunmen killed an assistant attorney general for Chihuahua state and one of her bodyguards.
After being chased by armed assailants through the darkened streets of Ciudad Juarez, the vehicle carrying Sandra Salas Garcia and two bodyguards was riddled with bullets Wednesday night.
Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office, said the second bodyguard was seriously wounded.
Salas was responsible for evaluating the work of prosecutors and special investigations units in Chihuahua.
Drug violence has killed more than 4,300 people in recent years in Ciudad Juarez, which borders El Paso, Texas.
More than 23,000 people have been killed by drug violence since late 2006, when President Felipe Calderon began deploying thousands of troops and federal police to drug hot spots.
Let's not worry about that fence or border patrols just yet, it's not a threat to the UShttp://www.kxii.com/txnews/headlines/97543224.html
Jun 30, 2010
Bullets from Mexican shootout hit Texas city hall
EL PASO, Texas (AP) - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott wants border security to top President Barack Obama's agenda in the wake of stray gunfire from Mexico that left seven holes in El Paso's city hall.
EL PASO, Texas (AP) - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott wants border security to top President Barack Obama's agenda in the wake of stray gunfire from Mexico that left seven holes in El Paso's city hall.
In a letter sent to Obama Wednesday, the Republican wrote that the incident that left two dead in Ciudad Juarez and seven bullet holes in El Paso's city hall proved the need for more border security. Juarez is across the Rio Grande from El Paso.
El Paso police said one bullet from the shootout between Mexican authorities and criminals more than a half-mile from El Paso's city hall broke through a ninth-floor window and six others struck the 10-story building's stucco. No one in El Paso was injured.
Another source: 21 Dead in Mexican Gang Gun Battle Near AZ Bordermtb0minime wrote:
Hey, if it stirs up enough shit to get the borders under control, I'm all for it.
Granted its 12 miles deep in Mexico, but its unsettling that this violence is so close.
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They're fighting over US business/money.
Speaking of that...looks like the Arizona boycott is backfiring:west-phoenix-az wrote:
They're fighting over US business/money.
Source: Arizona Boycotts BackfiringHuman Events wrote:
“There are no negative effects I can quantify,” said Tony Venuti, publisher of AZ Tourist News and webmaster of a pro-Arizona business site. “There have been cancelations caused by the boycotts, but for every cancellation, four or five (reservations) are coming in.”
However the Mexican consulate is saying:
I don't like how the country of Mexico is meddling with state affairs.A Mexican Consulate survey for 2008 concluded that visitors spent $2.7 billion in Arizona and $2.4 million daily in Pima County alone, where Tucson is located. Hundreds of American businesses along the border are reporting sales declines of 20% to 80% over previous years. The El Con Mall in Tucson, a popular shopping destination for Mexican nationals attributes 60% of past mall sales are to Mexicans.
you mean you don't like how a country has to realistically deal with neighbouring states - politically, socially and economically?
it's hard to be isolationist when you're not an island.
it's hard to be isolationist when you're not an island.
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Personally, I just don't like how Mexican activists have the gall to say we're mistreating them when their own country does some pretty fucked up shit to Guatemalan illegals.Uzique wrote:
you mean you don't like how a country has to realistically deal with neighbouring states - politically, socially and economically?
it's hard to be isolationist when you're not an island.
It's like Mexico has no concept of hypocrisy.
....Turquoise wrote:
Personally, I just don't like how Mexican activists have the gall to say we're mistreating them when their own country does some pretty fucked up shit to Guatemalan illegals.Uzique wrote:
you mean you don't like how a country has to realistically deal with neighbouring states - politically, socially and economically?
it's hard to be isolationist when you're not an island.
It's like Mexico has no concept of hypocrisy.
Uh, SURPRISE!!
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Update: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants
Great idea! So this candidate wants to have the utilities check your immigration status before turning on your power. This Republican candidate says, ""It is not a right. It is a service." He said it would ultimately save money because power companies would not have to build new plants to serve the illegal immigrant community, presumably passing on that savings to consumers.
Something like this would definitively encourage illegals to leave the state.
Great idea! So this candidate wants to have the utilities check your immigration status before turning on your power. This Republican candidate says, ""It is not a right. It is a service." He said it would ultimately save money because power companies would not have to build new plants to serve the illegal immigrant community, presumably passing on that savings to consumers.
Something like this would definitively encourage illegals to leave the state.
Works for me.
illegals have rights too!
the right to be deported or GTFO
the right to be deported or GTFO
look up Mexico's imigration laws for a good laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWU01NIwGbg caution, Conservative speaker. Make sure "Fat Gay Red Santa" has on his Pull Ups !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWU01NIwGbg caution, Conservative speaker. Make sure "Fat Gay Red Santa" has on his Pull Ups !
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You should also look up Mexico's standard of living as long as we are striving to be more like them.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
look up Mexico's imigration laws for a good laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWU01NIwGbg caution, Conservative speaker. Make sure "Fat Gay Red Santa" has on his Pull Ups !
LOL great logic.Though it would cost money for power companies to check immigration status, he said it would ultimately save money because power companies would not have to build new plants to serve the illegal immigrant community, presumably passing on that savings to consumers. His plan, if elected to the five-person commission, would be to require utilities to check immigration status.
I don't think that was his point. I think his point was that Mexicans don't really have any room to complain when their own country of origin is nowhere near as lenient as we are. Until it is, they can shut the fuck up.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You should also look up Mexico's standard of living as long as we are striving to be more like them.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
look up Mexico's imigration laws for a good laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWU01NIwGbg caution, Conservative speaker. Make sure "Fat Gay Red Santa" has on his Pull Ups !
It is great logic for some areas where the number of illegals is large enough to affect the utilities market.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
LOL great logic.Though it would cost money for power companies to check immigration status, he said it would ultimately save money because power companies would not have to build new plants to serve the illegal immigrant community, presumably passing on that savings to consumers. His plan, if elected to the five-person commission, would be to require utilities to check immigration status.