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2010-04-18 08:45:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6691|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm not sure if people who turn to the church or other organisations to take their decisions are brain-lazy or just never learnt critical thinking.

Maybe this is why the developed countries are steadily lowering their educational standards, to dumbify the population so they unblinkingly consume and happily vote for one of the two identical parties.
With morality handed over to govt they can do anything - as long as a White House lawyer writes a memo approving it.

I've noticed different countries teach critical thinking differently, and each has topics which apparently are off limits for discussion or individual consideration.
Interesting points...   Although, I have to bring up an off-limit topic in and of itself.

Perhaps, the lowering of educational standards has more to do with immigration.  Many countries throughout the world have to deal with populations that immigrate there that only possess a minimal proficiency with the local language.

We see this quite a lot in America.  It's no big secret that some of our schools are heavily populated with students that speak English as a second language.  The extra effort needed to teach these kids is burdensome to the system and detracts from the overall speed at which things can be taught curriculum-wise.

This is true not only of America, but of other countries as well.  Several European nations have had to face these difficulties in their school systems.  However, the mere suggestion that immigration poses problems for education is usually shouted down by accusations of racism.
2010-04-19 01:12:28
BVC
Member
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/RIAA-MPAA-I … -6496.html

TL;DR version: The RIAA and MPAA want to install spyware on your computer to monitor for illegal movies & music.

Guilty until proven innocent, and regardless of proof, you will be under under permanent suspicion.

Last edited by Pubic (2010-04-19 01:16:22)

2010-04-19 05:01:07
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6950|NT, like Mick Dundee

Pubic wrote:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/RIAA-MPAA-Illegal-downloads-Torrent,news-6496.html

TL;DR version: The RIAA and MPAA want to install spyware on your computer to monitor for illegal movies & music.

Guilty until proven innocent, and regardless of proof, you will be under under permanent suspicion.
Yeah. Fuck that shit.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2010-04-19 05:03:42
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5464|Sydney
Illegal music??

I'm assuming you mean pirated, which I'd like to know how they decide what's pirated when the mp3 I download or the one I rip from a CD can be identical, at least in size, bit rate, track length and name.
2010-04-19 07:40:16
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

Turquoise wrote:

Interesting points...   Although, I have to bring up an off-limit topic in and of itself.

Perhaps, the lowering of educational standards has more to do with immigration.  Many countries throughout the world have to deal with populations that immigrate there that only possess a minimal proficiency with the local language.

We see this quite a lot in America.  It's no big secret that some of our schools are heavily populated with students that speak English as a second language.  The extra effort needed to teach these kids is burdensome to the system and detracts from the overall speed at which things can be taught curriculum-wise.

This is true not only of America, but of other countries as well.  Several European nations have had to face these difficulties in their school systems.  However, the mere suggestion that immigration poses problems for education is usually shouted down by accusations of racism.
Don't know about school, I never saw a class interrupted or slowed  but we barely had any foreign kids. At Uni we had 30% foreign students at least - standards weren't lowered for them they just had to work twice as hard to keep up. Nevertheless Uni standards have been dropping steadily.

It could be part of the plan to help immigrants assimilate by giving them worthless qualifications, I prefer my theory though.
Fuck Israel
2010-04-19 16:42:03
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5464|Sydney
I don't think it's to do with immigration. The immigrants I've met work twice as hard as a lot of those born here, and consequently do better at their studies.

In Australia at least (I'm sure it's similar in other western countries) there's a lot of partying associated with the social side tertiary education, at least from what I've seen. Immigrants tend to feel on the edge of that kind of culture and as a result whilst those who were born and raised here are on their 10th drink on a Saturday night, they're probably into their 10th hour of study for that day.

There are exceptions to every rule and I'm not saying this is the norm, but the tendency is certainly there.
I've got nothing to substantiate this but I feel this is somewhat close to the mark.
2010-04-19 16:45:17
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5464|Sydney
And the whole immigrants receiving less education standards, someone I used to work with, his wife is Brazilian and has a degree in nursing. As a result of her education she has the knowledge and skills to be head of a hospital ward, but in Australia her degree is not recognized and consequently the only work she can get is a nurses aide -- but the irony here is all the nurses (read: have degrees in nursing) in her ward ask her for advice all the time because it's clear she knows more than most working there. Must be such a frustrating position to be in, no to mention not being paid anywhere near what you're worth.
2010-04-19 18:24:31
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6691|North Carolina

Jaekus wrote:

I don't think it's to do with immigration. The immigrants I've met work twice as hard as a lot of those born here, and consequently do better at their studies.

In Australia at least (I'm sure it's similar in other western countries) there's a lot of partying associated with the social side tertiary education, at least from what I've seen. Immigrants tend to feel on the edge of that kind of culture and as a result whilst those who were born and raised here are on their 10th drink on a Saturday night, they're probably into their 10th hour of study for that day.

There are exceptions to every rule and I'm not saying this is the norm, but the tendency is certainly there.
I've got nothing to substantiate this but I feel this is somewhat close to the mark.
Well, I was referencing what we've been experiencing here in primary schools.  Children who speak English as a second language typically don't do so well in our schools at that level, and even in secondary schools, native Spanish speakers often have a lot of trouble due to the language barrier.

I'm not saying this is true of all students that fit this description, but it is a significant problem for many schools in terms of test scores and literacy.
2010-04-19 18:35:47
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5464|Sydney
I agree literacy would certainly be lower due to the language barrier, but this would be the same the world over, yeah?

I guess I'm looking more towards work ethic to overcome these issues seems to be greater.
2010-04-19 18:41:15
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6691|North Carolina

Jaekus wrote:

I agree literacy would certainly be lower due to the language barrier, but this would be the same the world over, yeah?

I guess I'm looking more towards work ethic to overcome these issues seems to be greater.
Well, it depends.

Adults that immigrate to the developed world tend to be very hard workers.  Children....  sometimes.

Second generation immigrants are a mixed bag.  My best friend is a 2nd generation South Korean.  He's one of the smartest and hardest working people I know.

On the other hand, most of the recent terror attacks that have occurred in the U.K. were committed by 2nd generation immigrants.  I think the identity crisis that many 2nd generation immigrants experience has the potential to either make them hard workers or move them in a negative direction like extremism or gang activity.

From what I can tell, this identity crisis can be very stressful, and different people respond differently to it.

Another good example of a 2nd generation immigrant (sort of) is Obama.  He was born on American soil, but he grew up in a very multicultural environment resembling what a typical 2nd generation immigrant has to deal with.  So, yeah, clearly there is a wide spectrum of potential involved.

 

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