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DrunkFace
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Drunkface wrote:

1. Batteries become small, light and simple enough for a frail, semi dementured 80 year old women to easy change in under 5 minutes.
Why? Do you strip out your fuel tank instead of filling it?
No, but if you can't charge your batteries quickly then it makes every long journey and every commercial vehicle next to useless unless batteries can be changed quickly and easily to continue their job without too costly a downtime.
2. Batteries are reliably charged to full capacity in under 5minutes.
Why five minutes? We're just used to refuelling our vehicles in that time these days, back in olden times could a horse be refuelled in five minutes? Nope, and people organised their lives accordingly.
If you needed to get anywhere quickly you just changed horses and kept going. Are you seriously going to champion a car exchange program at every service station?
The five minute fuel stop will be replaced by charging points wherever you park, at home, work, supermarkets, capacitive systems which will mean a few minutes charge will give you enough range to get home in an emergency, or electric cars with 100-200km range - which are on the market now. Either way its not a calamity - except for the oil co.s
Taxi's, drive all day and don't have time to stop every few hours for a few hours to charge up, the same with buses, delivery vans, transport trucks, farm vehicles, mining vehicles and many more. Driving long distances will be out of the question unless you want to make a lengthy journey into an overnight Marathon with frequent stopping with nothing to do but wait. Not to mention the the cost of putting charge points every 10metres across the entire country. The inconvenience, the massive infrastructure cost and the continued cost of maintaining such a system is unjustifiable for what will only be a partial solution to a partial part of motorists, a majority though it may be, we need a universal solution for all vehicles, which is why a new fuel source (such as hydrogen) I see as a far superior track to spend time and money into further research.
3. Battery life is drastically increased.
Happening steadily now.
Not to the extent they need to be to be even remotely universally useable. And when it does come time to charge them up you still have most of the drawbacks anyway.
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

If we switch to greener electricity production our cost of living will skyrocket and our quality of life will plummet. That may not mean much to you, but it sure means a lot to people on the lower rungs of society. There's a reason only the wealthy advocate renewables, they can afford to take the hit.
Not if its done intelligently, no.
If by intelligently you mean taxing the rich and subsidizing the energy costs of the poor then it's a non-starter. Germany tried that. Spain tried that. They've both discovered that the cost is prohibitive and renewables just aren't as effective. You can only tax the rich so much before they decide to move elsewhere, or hide their money. Hollande has re-discovered this truth in recent years.
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Dilbert_X
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@ Drunkface, electric power for commercial vehicles may never be feasible.
For personal transport - which typically sits idle 23 hours a day - trickle charging is perfectly fine, if anything it will save people time as they won't need to make detours to a filling station or wait during the process.
Electric vehicles also need almost nil servicing, 5 or 10 year service intervals are realistic - on board disgnostics can cover brakes and tyre pressure, no more water and oil-filled engines or transmissions and the associated headaches, again time saved for the average owner.

@Jay, Various countries have succeeded in using their natural resources and ingenuity to reduce their fossil fuel use, its not 'unpossible' as luddites like you would have everyone believe.
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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

@Jay, Various countries have succeeded in using their natural resources and ingenuity to reduce their fossil fuel use, its not 'unpossible' as luddites like you would have everyone believe.
There are too many variables to say that it can be applied universally. A place like Norway is blessed with thousands of fjords and a small population. Brazil has the ability to grow massive amounts of sugar cane, and it's population is still on the poor side so they don't have a situation where every family has three cars in the driveway. They also don't have the insane environmentalists that we do that protest EVERYTHING. They don't like fossil fuels, they don't like dams because they hurt fish, they complain about siting solar arrays in the desert because they impact tortoises and recreation areas. You can't build wind farms near people because the shock wave from the blades has actually been shown to harm humans, as well as migratory bats and birds. No matter what you build, people will protest.

The US has drastically reduced its fossil fuel usage over the past two decades, and the gains mostly stem from increased gas mileage in vehicles, and a move to more efficient plug loads. Things like central air conditioning, that were once a luxury item, have come down in price, which means older window units have been replaced. Then there has been the renewed emphasis on properly insulating homes, and hot water heating systems becoming the norm.

We're never going to entirely eliminate fossil fuel use in this country, especially now that we've discovered a few hundred years worth of natural gas reserves sitting underneath our feet, but we have made giant strides in becoming more efficient with their usage in the past few decades. The stereotype of the fat American sitting in his gas guzzling truck wasting massive amounts of energy is rather old at this point. Even the most ignorant redneck understands that gas prices aren't going back down, and he has become more conscious of his energy footprint. He doesn't think in those terms though, he thinks in terms of his wallet.

Last edited by Jay (2013-05-27 07:19:26)

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Dilbert_X
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We've had this conversation before.

So slap a tax on fuel, take away a tax somewhere else so its tax/revenue neutral, or use the money to fund alternative energy schemes - via grants or tax-breaks for R+D so the Libertarians can't whine too much about 'big gubmint getting all in my shit'.

Its really not hard or a nation killer, gas prices have doubled and the country is still functioning despite the GFC on top.

Jay wrote:

The stereotype of the fat American sitting in his gas guzzling truck wasting massive amounts of energy is rather old at this point.
Its still true though.
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Spark
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He doesn't think in those terms though, he thinks in terms of his wallet.
This is basically the fundamental argument for a carbon tax.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
RTHKI
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i see more fat people in vans than trucks
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unnamednewbie13
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RTHKI wrote:

i see more fat people in vans than trucks
The fancier the truck, the fatter the driver.
Jay
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Spark wrote:

He doesn't think in those terms though, he thinks in terms of his wallet.
This is basically the fundamental argument for a carbon tax.
No, it's not.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
M.O.A.B
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An extremely well preserved woolly mammoth has been found by Russian scientists in Siberia, announced Wednesday.

The adult female was found with blood preserved still intact in ice cavities. When palaeontologists excavated the animal, blood flowed from the space below the animal's abdomen.
Send in the clones.
globefish23
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M.O.A.B wrote:

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WikiNews wrote:

An extremely well preserved woolly mammoth has been found by Russian scientists in Siberia, announced Wednesday.

The adult female was found with blood preserved still intact in ice cavities. When palaeontologists excavated the animal, blood flowed from the space below the animal's abdomen.
Send in the clones.
Pleistocene Park!

Steven Spielberg, we need three movies, full of saber tooth cat, megatherium and woolly rhinoceros action.
And some Neanderthals for some good measure.
Macbeth
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As predicted, mega mosquitoes, known as gallinippers, have arrived in Central Florida.

Gallinippers, which are 20 times the size of a typical mosquito and pack a painful bite, have been spotted in Seminole County, according to officials.

Entomologists at the University of Florida predicted earlier this year that the mega mosquitoes, about the size of a quarter, would invade the Sunshine State in 2013, a year after being spotted in Florida following drenching rains from Tropical Storm Debbie.
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unnamednewbie13
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Keep them out of Washington, assholes.
DrunkFace
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RTHKI
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but that doesnt count
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DrunkFace wrote:

Wahhh, grow some balls babies.

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Pussy nectar suckers.
Macbeth
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So China just sent some more people into space. Cool beans. I know the U.S. still has the most advanced space program in the world but how does China's compare to Russia's?
RTHKI
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theyre a little short
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Spearhead
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The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that human genes cannot be patented, a decision with both immediate benefits for some breast and ovarian cancer patients and long-lasting repercussions for biotechnology research.
Ha, fuck you libertards
Jay
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Spearhead wrote:

Ha, fuck you libertards
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
RTHKI
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link to a site that isnt utter shit please
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