Kmar
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Yes they said "could".
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Life is out there somewhere The sheer volume of planets and time span makes it practically a certainty. How long it will take us to find it/them is another question altogether.
13urnzz
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i think we're unique, just like everybody else.
Spark
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … witterfeed

interested to see where this goes. not least for the philosophical question of 'what is life?'
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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I think the most abundant life we'll find throughout the cosmos will be maybe some kind of floating proteins. Also, I think that wherever we find complex lifeforms larger than the microscopic, there will be some kind of mushroom present as well.
FEOS
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Study links low DHA levels to higher suicide rates.

Read about this in the paper this morning. Not enough data to conclusively prove causality vs coincidence, but it's interesting, and may point to effective interventional, nutrion-based, treatment options.

Study links low DHA levels to suicide risk among U.S. military personnel

NIAAA statement
Background:

Scientists at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) led by CAPT. Joseph R. Hibbeln, M.D., teamed with researchers at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS) in Bethesda, Md., to analyze a sample of suicide deaths among U.S. military personnel on active duty between 2002 and 2008. The researchers compared levels of omega-3 fatty acids of 800 individuals who committed suicide with those of 800 randomly selected controls — service members who were matched with the suicide cases by age, sex, and rank. They found that all the service members had low omega-3 levels, and that suicide risk was greatest among individuals with the lowest levels of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the major omega-3 fatty acid concentrated in the brain. The new study is reported online in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, and summarized in a USUHS press release.

Statement of CAPT. Joseph R. Hibbeln, M.D., acting chief, Section of Nutritional Neurosciences, NIAAA Laboratory of Membrane Biochemistry and Biophysics:

The findings add to an extensive body of research that points to a fundamental role for DHA and other omega-3 fatty acids in protecting against mental health problems and suicide risks. For example, a previous placebo-controlled trial demonstrated that 2 grams of omega-3 fatty acids per day reduced suicidal thinking by 45 percent as well as depression and anxiety scores among individuals with recurrent self-harm. In a prior study we found that low blood levels of DHA correlated with hyperactivity of brain regions in a pattern that closely resembles the pathology of major depression and suicide risk. While omega-3 fatty acids are generally recommended by the American Psychiatric Association as an adjunctive therapy for mood disorders, more research is needed to establish a definitive role for their use in the stand alone treatment of depression.

The identification of low DHA status as a significant risk factor for suicide deaths should complement ongoing efforts in the U.S. military to study modifiable risk and protective factors related to mental health and suicide among U.S. military personnel. The U.S. military invests a great deal of funds and effort to ensure that its troops receive optimal nutrition, especially in combat and deployment situations. This study presents new information on the potential usefulness of omega-3 fats in reducing risk for suicide and optimizing mental health, which can be taken into account when designing U.S. military diets.

The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, part of the National Institutes of Health, is the primary U.S. agency for conducting and supporting research on the causes, consequences, prevention, and treatment of alcohol abuse, alcoholism, and alcohol problems. NIAAA also disseminates research findings to general, professional, and academic audiences. Additional alcohol research information and publications are available at www.niaaa.nih.gov.

About the National Institutes of Health (NIH): NIH, the nation's medical research agency, includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. NIH is the primary federal agency conducting and supporting basic, clinical, and translational medical research, and is investigating the causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more information about NIH and its programs, visit www.nih.gov.
Press release re same study
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Kmar
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Life is out there somewhere The sheer volume of planets and time span makes it practically a certainty. How long it will take us to find it/them is another question altogether.
We're talking specifically about the newly reported 50 exoplanets, and the ambiguity used in said reporting.

also consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Basis
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Kmar
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This guy does a good job of explaining the great filter (towards the end)
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Spark wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110915091625.htm?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

interested to see where this goes. not least for the philosophical question of 'what is life?'
Now that really is interesting


As for the Fermi Paradox I think you need to consider that any signs we are looking at are millions and millions of years old in themselves. i.e. you could have intelligent life exploring their solar system / galaxy but as they are 100 million light years away from what we can see the planet shows no signs of life.

I guess one day we will find out the answer but I have difficulty in believing that in a sea of endless possibilities we are without compare.
Spark
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First we have to decide what life is. What if the plasma computational models from a few years ago are potentially illuminating, and large pockets of intersellar plasma can organize themselves into structures that behave precisely like life?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
13urnzz
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then they would be, 'like life'.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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why only 'like life'? they self-replicate, they move and act independently. what further requirements do you need?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
13urnzz
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Spark wrote:

why only 'like life'? they self-replicate, they move and act independently. what further requirements do you need?
can they reproduce?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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possibly. those models are four years old, i don't know if they've been updated.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Spark wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110915091625.htm?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

interested to see where this goes. not least for the philosophical question of 'what is life?'
Now that really is interesting


As for the Fermi Paradox I think you need to consider that any signs we are looking at are millions and millions of years old in themselves. i.e. you could have intelligent life exploring their solar system / galaxy but as they are 100 million light years away from what we can see the planet shows no signs of life.

I guess one day we will find out the answer but I have difficulty in believing that in a sea of endless possibilities we are without compare.
It's really easy to say, "holy hell that's a lot of Universe, and therefor there must be some intelligent life out there". But in a sea of endless possibilities "100 million light years away" really isn't a big hurdle. Like the man said, just being far away is not enough to explain away contact. Especially, if you believe the universe to be infinite, you would have an infinite number of alien civilizations. The fermi paradox is simply asking a question. Attempting to solve that paradox is where it gets interesting. I believe the evolution of intelligent life is very rare, and that would answer the question. Just because we see it here it doesn't mean it is happening all over the place (See Observation Selection effect in the video). Other explanations are that maybe earth is intentionally isolated and we are in a zoo like environment, forbidden from interactions (insert star trek prime directive here). Maybe intelligent life is more common than we know and it is just destined to destroy itself or be destroyed by something else, like the dinosaurs (IE great filter).

Spark wrote:

First we have to decide what life is. What if the plasma computational models from a few years ago are potentially illuminating, and large pockets of intersellar plasma can organize themselves into structures that behave precisely like life?
The sun is life.. we're parasites. There is a reason they call it life "as we know it". It's because it is all relative. Anyone who has seen 2001: A Space Odyssey knows that we will eventually evolve into star children, returning to our roots. We are here occupying an immeasurable amount of time, in an attempt for the universe to explain and understand itself. .. now pass the pipe.
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Kmar
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13urnzz wrote:

Spark wrote:

why only 'like life'? they self-replicate, they move and act independently. what further requirements do you need?
can they reproduce?
Self replicate sure does sound like it..lol
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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first planet orbiting a binary star system confirmed http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 144828.htm
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
13urnzz
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Kmar wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

Spark wrote:

why only 'like life'? they self-replicate, they move and act independently. what further requirements do you need?
can they reproduce?
Self replicate sure does sound like it..lol
reading comprehension fail on my part.

who's to say what form the spark of life might take? just because it isn't carbon based, doesn't rule out the possibility. the scenario doesn't preclude it . . .
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Non-carbon based life?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 091625.htm

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Silicon or HCl based life is very popular in sci-fi circles too.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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13urnzz wrote:

Kmar wrote:

13urnzz wrote:


can they reproduce?
Self replicate sure does sound like it..lol
reading comprehension fail on my part.

who's to say what form the spark of life might take? just because it isn't carbon based, doesn't rule out the possibility. the scenario doesn't preclude it . . .
We fancy ourselves judges, it elevates us. So it is natural for us to classify life as a simple resemblance of ourselves, ie carbon based.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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The likelihood that complex life will be organic is very very high tbf. Carbon is just too chemically promiscuous for it to be any other way.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Again, life as we know it, today. I was speaking more philosophical.
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FatherTed
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this looks funky;

Microwaving waste food products could be used to produce important chemicals and biofuels, new technology has shown.

The methods would potentially allow food waste to be processed at home and on an industrial scale.

Using highly focused microwaves, the scientists believe they can input any organic waste, and extract useful chemical compounds that can be harnessed in materials and biofuel applications.

An international group of scientists have been working together to develop this technology, and they plan to build a demonstration facility in York later this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14933631
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Kmar wrote:

It's really easy to say, "holy hell that's a lot of Universe, and therefor there must be some intelligent life out there". But in a sea of endless possibilities "100 million light years away" really isn't a big hurdle. Like the man said, just being far away is not enough to explain away contact. Especially, if you believe the universe to be infinite, you would have an infinite number of alien civilizations. The fermi paradox is simply asking a question. Attempting to solve that paradox is where it gets interesting. I believe the evolution of intelligent life is very rare, and that would answer the question. Just because we see it here it doesn't mean it is happening all over the place (See Observation Selection effect in the video). Other explanations are that maybe earth is intentionally isolated and we are in a zoo like environment, forbidden from interactions (insert star trek prime directive here). Maybe intelligent life is more common than we know and it is just destined to destroy itself or be destroyed by something else, like the dinosaurs (IE great filter).
100 million light years may not be a big hurdle to a potential form of intelligent life but to us it means we are looking at what happened 100 million years ago, not what is currently happening. That was the point I was making its not so much the distance that is the problem but the issue of the further afield we look the further back in time we go. Hence as distance increases we are proportionally less likely to find evidence of life.

Its difficult to figure out how we get around that.

Kmar wrote:

Spark wrote:

First we have to decide what life is. What if the plasma computational models from a few years ago are potentially illuminating, and large pockets of intersellar plasma can organize themselves into structures that behave precisely like life?
The sun is life.. we're parasites. There is a reason they call it life "as we know it". It's because it is all relative. Anyone who has seen 2001: A Space Odyssey knows that we will eventually evolve into star children, returning to our roots. We are here occupying an immeasurable amount of time, in an attempt for the universe to explain and understand itself. .. now pass the pipe.
I would leave life as something very basic along the lines of reproductive and self sustaining, i.e. no need for a 3rd party to control or influence them. But even then you could arguably have life that doesnt obey that.
RTHKI
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Kmar wrote:

Other explanations are that maybe earth is intentionally isolated and we are in a zoo like environment, forbidden from interactions (insert star trek prime directive here)
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 … -cancelled
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png

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