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2010-11-07 12:28:40
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6975|Moscow, Russia

presidentsheep wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Shahter wrote:

today research money get spent on development of new and improved iphones and maybachs when they should really go towards developing new and replenishable souces of energy and stuff like that.
I prefer the status quo. Life is pretty good and all of my needs and wants can be achieved already.

Moving away from the current system to shoot for sort of 'progress' that I'll never live to see doesn't interest me.
at some point people need to stop having this stupid attitude or nothing will ever get achieved. These things have to start somewhere.
we have a long way to go to get there, man, unfortunately. and what's even worse - the attitude of our friend macbeth here has evolved into something like ideology of its own: they live like that, raise their children like that, get elected to positions of power running on shit like that and they also export it worldwide - by force when necessary. this crap is self-sustaining, i don't think it's going to change anytime soon.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
2010-11-07 12:30:58
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|6161|Places 'n such

Cybargs wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


I prefer the status quo. Life is pretty good and all of my needs and wants can be achieved already.

Moving away from the current system to shoot for sort of 'progress' that I'll never live to see doesn't interest me.
at some point people need to stop having this stupid attitude or nothing will ever get achieved. These things have to start somewhere.
space race was just an ego contest anyway
whats that got to do with it?
People were working towards a goal, regardless of motives. Now people just sit around trying to get rich easy and then dying, having achieved very little.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
2010-11-07 12:44:37
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5785

presidentsheep wrote:

Now people just sit around trying to get rich easy and then dying, having achieved very little.
Personal happiness is a great achievement. Aside from that 'getting rich' is an achievement in itself. Not many people actually get rich in the world.

Anyway, finding personal happiness in your own lifetime sure as hell beats trying to 'advance humanity'.

I guess I'm just not resentful towards the world, life, or anything else.
2010-11-07 13:06:01
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

presidentsheep wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:


at some point people need to stop having this stupid attitude or nothing will ever get achieved. These things have to start somewhere.
space race was just an ego contest anyway
whats that got to do with it?
People were working towards a goal, regardless of motives. Now people just sit around trying to get rich easy and then dying, having achieved very little.
That time never existed. Never.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 13:12:25
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6916

JohnG@lt wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


space race was just an ego contest anyway
whats that got to do with it?
People were working towards a goal, regardless of motives. Now people just sit around trying to get rich easy and then dying, having achieved very little.
That time never existed. Never.
every goal has a motive.

we can get to mars once they start figuring out how we can grow plants in space. reason why we havent done shit like "put a man on mars" is because its a hell lot cheaper and safer to do it with a robot.
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2010-11-07 13:16:01
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:


whats that got to do with it?
People were working towards a goal, regardless of motives. Now people just sit around trying to get rich easy and then dying, having achieved very little.
That time never existed. Never.
every goal has a motive.

we can get to mars once they start figuring out how we can grow plants in space. reason why we havent done shit like "put a man on mars" is because its a hell lot cheaper and safer to do it with a robot.
Pointless anyway. Its not a habitable planet.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 13:21:04
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6916

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


That time never existed. Never.
every goal has a motive.

we can get to mars once they start figuring out how we can grow plants in space. reason why we havent done shit like "put a man on mars" is because its a hell lot cheaper and safer to do it with a robot.
Pointless anyway. Its not a habitable planet.
it can in a very very expensive artificial environment. it'll be a couple of centuries down the road before we colonize it.
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2010-11-07 13:25:50
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


every goal has a motive.

we can get to mars once they start figuring out how we can grow plants in space. reason why we havent done shit like "put a man on mars" is because its a hell lot cheaper and safer to do it with a robot.
Pointless anyway. Its not a habitable planet.
it can in a very very expensive artificial environment. it'll be a couple of centuries down the road before we colonize it.
Billions for training. Billions for the spacecraft. Billions to maintain the habitat. All so ten or so people can visit, and so Trekkies can get a boner. No thanks.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 13:26:50
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6916

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Pointless anyway. Its not a habitable planet.
it can in a very very expensive artificial environment. it'll be a couple of centuries down the road before we colonize it.
Billions for training. Billions for the spacecraft. Billions to maintain the habitat. All so ten or so people can visit, and so Trekkies can get a boner. No thanks.
i never said gov programs now did i virgin spaaaaaaaaaaaaaace nigga.
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2010-11-07 13:27:34
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6670
g@lt you're not really seeing the bigger picture of our scientific/technologic capability

if we invested in making mars 'hospitable', let alone 'colonizable', i think we'd send a few more people than 10

keep chasing your material wealth, though, i'm sure you'll be able to afford a nice gravestone
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
2010-11-07 13:49:14
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|6161|Places 'n such
Mars has an atmosphere, 24(ish) hour day, reasonable size, water....
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
2010-11-07 13:55:53
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6916

presidentsheep wrote:

Mars has an atmosphere, 24(ish) hour day, reasonable size, water....
not to mention the radiation, plants might not grow well, being fucking cold and water trapped in mostly the polar regions, active volcanoes, tons of valleys and mountains... yeah should be fine.
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2010-11-07 15:05:18
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Uzique wrote:

g@lt you're not really seeing the bigger picture of our scientific/technologic capability

if we invested in making mars 'hospitable', let alone 'colonizable', i think we'd send a few more people than 10

keep chasing your material wealth, though, i'm sure you'll be able to afford a nice gravestone
Please explain what we as America gained from going to the moon aside from a boost in national pride/ego. What would we gain here? Earth is more than enough planet for me. I have zero desire to live my life in a spacesuit.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 15:08:35
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6670
jesus christ you are short-sighted. obviously the moon mission had political motives - it's a government funded program, no shit.

however it was a grand human endeavour - an achievement to leave the confines of our mother planet and to visit an extra-terrestrial body. that's a huge step for a civilization to take: to 'reach for the stars' and to test thousands of years of scientific, mathematic and technical progress. 'human achievement' apparently ranks somewhere below 'middle class comforts' in your life-priorities list, so i'm clearly wasting my fucking time.

i'd rather contribute or see something of collective merit occur in my lifetime than to just live in mediocre obscurity, working towards nothing.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
2010-11-07 15:10:23
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Uzique wrote:

jesus christ you are short-sighted. obviously the moon mission had political motives - it's a government funded program, no shit.

however it was a grand human endeavour - an achievement to leave the confines of our mother planet and to visit an extra-terrestrial body. that's a huge step for a civilization to take: to 'reach for the stars' and to test thousands of years of scientific, mathematic and technical progress. 'human achievement' apparently ranks somewhere below 'middle class comforts' in your life-priorities list, so i'm clearly wasting my fucking time.

i'd rather contribute or see something of collective merit occur in my lifetime than to just live in mediocre obscurity, working towards nothing.
That's fine. You pay for it then. It wasn't a grand human endeavor, it was the United States military trying to find better ways to kill and/or one-up ze Ruskies.

Inventing the personal computer > going to the moon.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-11-07 15:10:48)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 15:23:07
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6670
it all depends on how you look at things and from which perspective.

inventing the personal computer retarded human progress, sociologically and culturally, just as it 'pushed' us forward.

this forum and all the hours we sink into it are a working example of why the personal computer perhaps wasn't the best thing for human progress.

and i can't help but admire the ridiculously retarded irony you display in getting to the bottom-dollar financing of space-exploration when the wider context of this conversation is that WE'RE TOO WRAPPED UP IN GLOBAL CAPITALISM AND THE PURSUIT OF PROFITS. the whole point of the conversation we're having is that we are utterly fixated with money, economy and material wealth; greed and "sitting on piles of property". go read some proudhon or something, hahaha.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
2010-11-07 15:28:49
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6800|132 and Bush

Macbeth wrote:

Shahter wrote:

today research money get spent on development of new and improved iphones and maybachs when they should really go towards developing new and replenishable souces of energy and stuff like that.
I prefer the status quo. Life is pretty good and all of my needs and wants can be achieved already.

Moving away from the current system to shoot for sort of 'progress' that I'll never live to see doesn't interest me.
You only enjoy today's status quo because people before you did not settle for theirs. If we were all as selfish as you then this world would be a real toilet.

@galt, it pays for itself .. both in real monetary returns (patents, private launches) as well as inspiring the next generation of youth. They will be our doctors, technological entrepreneurs, and inventors. NASA amounts to less than .5% of our federal budget. I'm sure we can think of worse, less productive programs to axe before we even consider chopping one of the few programs that actually produces results.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2010-11-07 15:36:45
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Uzique wrote:

it all depends on how you look at things and from which perspective.

inventing the personal computer retarded human progress, sociologically and culturally, just as it 'pushed' us forward.

this forum and all the hours we sink into it are a working example of why the personal computer perhaps wasn't the best thing for human progress.

and i can't help but admire the ridiculously retarded irony you display in getting to the bottom-dollar financing of space-exploration when the wider context of this conversation is that WE'RE TOO WRAPPED UP IN GLOBAL CAPITALISM AND THE PURSUIT OF PROFITS. the whole point of the conversation we're having is that we are utterly fixated with money, economy and material wealth; greed and "sitting on piles of property". go read some proudhon or something, hahaha.
It's got nothing to do with global capitalism and the pursuit of profits and everything to do with making good on whatever we invest our time and money into. Regardless of the economic system one lives under, rational people do not throw away their time and effort on things that will produce marginal results. I know that I have no desire to be a writer, so spending time and money to earn a degree in English Literature would be irrational.

It always amazes me that the people who point out the fallacy of belief in a deity are usually the first ones to step up and say we need to suspend our rational minds and pursue some otherworldly endeavor without an actual goal in mind. Ok, you want to go to Mars. Fine. Give me a rational reason for doing so instead of one wrapped up in your feelings.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 15:37:57
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Kmar wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Shahter wrote:

today research money get spent on development of new and improved iphones and maybachs when they should really go towards developing new and replenishable souces of energy and stuff like that.
I prefer the status quo. Life is pretty good and all of my needs and wants can be achieved already.

Moving away from the current system to shoot for sort of 'progress' that I'll never live to see doesn't interest me.
You only enjoy today's status quo because people before you did not settle for theirs. If we were all as selfish as you then this world would be a real toilet.

@galt, it pays for itself .. both in real monetary returns (patents, private launches) as well as inspiring the next generation of youth. They will be our doctors, technological entrepreneurs, and inventors. NASA amounts to less than .5% of our federal budget. I'm sure we can think of worse, less productive programs to axe before we even consider chopping one of the few programs that actually produces results.
The world needs more Tempur-Pedic's amirite?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 15:42:44
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6800|132 and Bush

More life saving medical technology as well.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2010-11-07 16:08:29
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6670
these big public-funded schemes always drip down public-sector technologies and benefits...

immediately economic stimulus, jobs, industries, research funding etc.
and then the release of technology and knowledge to the public sphere so that we can all enjoy military-industrial hand-me-downs
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2010-11-07 16:58:30
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5557|London, England

Uzique wrote:

these big public-funded schemes always drip down public-sector technologies and benefits...

immediately economic stimulus, jobs, industries, research funding etc.
and then the release of technology and knowledge to the public sphere so that we can all enjoy military-industrial hand-me-downs
So you're saying America should keep its outsized military budget?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-11-07 17:07:35
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6670
where am i saying that at all?



i'm just saying they have a secondary 'benefit' of triggering technological leaps-forward in the public sector of technology/gadgets, too.
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2010-11-07 23:33:51
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6305|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:

where am i saying that at all?



i'm just saying they have a secondary 'benefit' of triggering technological leaps-forward in the public sector of technology/gadgets, too.
I think lifting of the public mood, confidence etc is much more important than the techical spin-offs.
The Greeks used to rule the world, look at them now,  its all about national confidence (for want of a better word).

The space program gave the US a huge collective ego-boost which is in part reflected in the give-it-a-shot never-give-up-never-surrender mentality.


My personal hobby-horse is fusion power. Given a Manhattan Project style attack it could, assuming its physically possible, be done and finished in a decade or two.

If a humongous asteroid were heading this way and we needed a gazillion watt source to power a bazillion watt laser then no doubt it would get done quicker.

In the meantime we're blowing ever increasing amounts on chavs, single mums and helping nearly-deads live a few extra months.
Fuck Israel
2010-11-07 23:38:37
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6305|eXtreme to the maX

Macbeth wrote:

I prefer the status quo. Life is pretty good and all of my needs and wants can be achieved already.

Moving away from the current system to shoot for sort of 'progress' that I'll never live to see doesn't interest me.
If you have no interest in improving yourself or the world around you, for your own benefit or for those less fortunate than yourself then please donate your skin at the nearest hospital, there are burns victims who need it more than you.
Fuck Israel

 

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