Dilbert_X wrote:
uziq wrote:
transmissibility is not the same as mutability. measles is many times more transmissible than covid and yet we safely and successfully vaccinate children for it all over the globe. whoda thunk it?
covid’s mechanism is pretty simple and we have multiple vaccines that work via several different ways to disable the virus. no spike protein mutation has rendered the basic vaccine ineffective. a 50-60% success rate (down from 80% or 70%) is still exceptionally good performance for a vaccine in any context.
Thank you Professor Literaturegrad
The infection rate and vaccine resistance are changing very rapidly thanks to the high mutability.
70-80% dropping to 50-60% is huge, its the difference between a vaccine being useful and useless, and over a very short space of time.
Measles has a low mutability hence a 50 year old vaccine is still effective, dur, completely different.
For all your supposed reading its remarkable how ignorant of basic information and lacking understanding of simple words you are.
i read and publish covid research on a daily basis. you sit at home muttering darkly about indians and vaccine skepticism. let me know when you're getting your information from, you know, scientific journals and current pre-print research and not, er, commentary pieces on BBC news.
i don't think the fact you understand how a trannie works and can use a lathe has much bearing on virology.
the only endgame and exit strategy from this pandemic is widespread vaccination. we won't get anything like 100% effective vaccines, that has never been possible for coronaviruses generally. the initial performance of the first round vaccines, the new possibilities of mRNA, etc, are already small scientific breakthroughs in-themselves. but that isn't good enough for you, apparently. what you are proposing as an alternative – scaremongering about flights and getting angry at selfish tourists – is not smart. australia and new zealand will still need a route to re-opening sooner or later.
what happens in 12 months' time when we are 5 more virus variations down the road? you certainly won't argue for re-opening then, either. let's keep the borders closed for another 5 years maybe? at what point does all this 'scientific rationalism' just become a little pathetic racist's convenient wet dreams about 'keeping foreigners out'?
the ONLY deliverance out of this global pandemic at this point is widespread vaccination. there is no other option. but you are turning down the vaccine for yourself and choosing to moan about ... tourists, instead. who is being more selfish in this scenario? a vaccinated person who gets on a plane or a useful idiot who doesn't want to get vaccinated?
widely deployed vaccines for certain illnesses, like flu, become less effective as time goes on. viruses change and make previous vaccines redundant. but, as i said, the mutations we're are seeing in the fairly simple stucture of covid are not invalidating our vaccine tech. making current 2021 shots less effective, certainly; but we can tweak the vaccines for next year, and the year after that. that is literally what we do for flu, durrr. so far there hasn't been any mutation which has totally confounded the working principle of our vaccines. get a fucking vaccine already.
Last edited by uziq (2021-06-13 21:03:02)
