BF2S Forums US Congress panel accuses Turkey of Armenian 'genocide'

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

I still see many Phillipinos lel. Native Americans? Yes I can see that. Phillipenes? Not really.

Genocide very rarely (never?) destroys a complete people. There are still jews, still Fillipinos, still Native Americans, still Tutsis and Hutu in Rwanda, still Albanians. Just some genocides are more 'successful' than others - the Native Americna genocide is probably one of the most successful anywhere I'd imagine.

The way I figure it, if Congress is going to start digging into old history books to penalize people for crimes committed before they were born, they deserve the same treatment under a microscope.

But of course it doesn't happen that way. US slavery, for example, isn't blamed on the government that permitted it, but packed into a neat little guilt trip to bombard white kids with all their public school life.

ruisleipa wrote:

FEOS wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

This is exactly the point right here. No-one's even mentioned reparations, but a nation that can't face up to its past like Germany or the USA (at least to some extent) won't be able to move forward fully, imo.

Excuse me? Care to explain the parenthetical?

OK (no need to be so defensive). I mean the USA has to some extent faced up to past atrocities. More so than other countries even, the UK included I reckon.

What's the problem?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

fail/facepalm

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-03-08 14:14:06)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

I still see many Phillipinos lel. Native Americans? Yes I can see that. Phillipenes? Not really.

Genocide very rarely (never?) destroys a complete people. There are still jews, still Fillipinos, still Native Americans, still Tutsis and Hutu in Rwanda, still Albanians. Just some genocides are more 'successful' than others - the Native Americna genocide is probably one of the most successful anywhere I'd imagine.

The way I figure it, if Congress is going to start digging into old history books to penalize people for crimes committed before they were born, they deserve the same treatment under a microscope.

But of course it doesn't happen that way. US slavery, for example, isn't blamed on the government that permitted it, but packed into a neat little guilt trip to bombard white kids with all their public school life.

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-03-08 18:35:49)

ruisleipa wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Gee, I sure stand chided.

not trying to chide you, just pointing out it's a dumb response is all.

You haven't explained why you think it's wrong admitting the slave trade was a terrible thing to have happened. It's just your interpretation that it's to make 'white kids feel guilty'. You said you don't feel guilty anyway so I don't know where you get your 'evidence' from. Nor why anyone is being penalised because of the slave trade now. nor why countrys should not admit to past wrongs instead of brushing them under the carpet.

uh uh uh /facepalm so funny

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Genocide very rarely (never?) destroys a complete people. There are still jews, still Fillipinos, still Native Americans, still Tutsis and Hutu in Rwanda, still Albanians. Just some genocides are more 'successful' than others - the Native Americna genocide is probably one of the most successful anywhere I'd imagine.

The way I figure it, if Congress is going to start digging into old history books to penalize people for crimes committed before they were born, they deserve the same treatment under a microscope.

But of course it doesn't happen that way. US slavery, for example, isn't blamed on the government that permitted it, but packed into a neat little guilt trip to bombard white kids with all their public school life.

It's not about guilt.  It's about getting a supposedly modern society to admit something it has denied for almost an entire century.

Turkey is so far down the denial road that they literally prosecute people for calling the deaths of these Armenians what it truly is...  a genocide.

All we're asking is for them to own up to it.  This isn't about penalties -- it's about dignity and respect for those who were killed.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-03-09 09:22:50)

Mekstizzle wrote:

To be honest we do the same shit except just the total opposite. If someone denies the holocause that's it for them.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Anyway they (USA) barely do anything to Japan for it to admit their atrocities despite the fact that they nuked and occupied them. So getting Turkey to admit doing something even earlier than all of that will take some doing

Mekstizzle wrote:

At the end of the day, I'm sure the Turkish lobby is more powerful in the US government than the Armenian one and that's what it boils down to when it comes to the World, unless the Jews get involved siding with the Armenians

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-03-09 15:42:11)

Turquoise wrote:

LostFate wrote:

The US accusing another country of genocide!!! what a fucking joke

It's not just us, you know.  In fact, America is one of the few major countries that had remained officially neutral on this matter until recently.