Things warm up in the luke warm cold war

2010-02-21 19:24:43

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U.S. patriot missiles in Poland early April: report
WARSAW

Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:55am EST
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WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland is set to host a battery of U.S. Patriot missiles and the American troops to man it from the start of April, PAP news agency said Sunday.

"The Defense Ministry expects the first stage of the stationing of a Patriot air-defense battery and a 100-man service team to get under way in the (northern) town of Morag at the turn of April," the agency said.

The Patriots are part of a Polish-U.S. agreement signed last December to upgrade the NATO member's air defenses, following Washington's decision last September to scrap a Bush-era Missile Shield incorporating installations in Poland and the neighboring Czech Republic.

Russia has repeatedly warned against stationing NATO missiles in former Soviet-bloc countries and said it would beef up its naval base across the border from Poland in its Baltic enclave Kaliningrad.

Friday, however, the Russian defense minister said Iskander tactical missiles would be installed in Kaliningrad only if Moscow felt directly threatened.

A week ago, Poland's lower house of parliament sent the Polish-U.S. agreement to President Lech Kaczynski for ratification, but his signature is expected to be a formality.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61K1EY20100221

2010-02-22 02:36:41

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LostFate: Same shit, Different Arsehole; +95|6485|England

I'm not supprised the Russians are angry , look how the US reacted to the cuban missile crsis i know its somewhat different but im sure Russia is Suspicious.

2010-02-22 03:16:47

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Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6766|UK

Yeah apart from the fact that the patriot missile system is a surface to air one, it can't be used to attack land targets. So its nothing alike.

2010-02-22 03:18:01

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6153|what

It wasn't long ago with US moved missiles out of Turkey wasn't it?

Guess this was the backup plan.

2010-02-22 03:43:18

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LostFate: Same shit, Different Arsehole; +95|6485|England

Vilham wrote:
Yeah apart from the fact that the patriot missile system is a surface to air one, it can't be used to attack land targets. So its nothing alike.

Its still American Military in your back garden.

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2010-02-22 04:03:46

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

Vilham wrote:
Yeah apart from the fact that the patriot missile system is a surface to air one, it can't be used to attack land targets. So its nothing alike.

It negates the Russian missile response as part of MAD, therefore its potentially offensive.

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2010-02-22 04:16:43

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Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6766|UK

Dilbert_X wrote:
Vilham wrote:
Yeah apart from the fact that the patriot missile system is a surface to air one, it can't be used to attack land targets. So its nothing alike.
It negates the Russian missile response as part of MAD, therefore its potentially offensive.

Patriot missiles now shoot down intercontinental missiles?

2010-02-22 04:27:40

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6411|'Murka

This makes as much sense as us saying we would move tactical nukes to Iraq if Russia puts S-300s in Iran. Or anywhere else. Pick your country. It's just utterly asinine.

And Vilham: No. They aren't offensive in any way. They are point defense missiles.

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2010-02-22 06:09:59

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5237|Cleveland, Ohio

Vilham wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Vilham wrote:
Yeah apart from the fact that the patriot missile system is a surface to air one, it can't be used to attack land targets. So its nothing alike.
It negates the Russian missile response as part of MAD, therefore its potentially offensive.
Patriot missiles now shoot down intercontinental missiles?

would be news to me.....

2010-02-22 06:10:52

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.

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2010-02-22 06:46:32

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5237|Cleveland, Ohio

ok Dilbert but you still need to clear up how the patriot missle affects MAD in any way.

2010-02-22 07:22:17

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Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6775|Moscow, Russia

this had nothing to do with MAD principles. patriot missiles pose absolutely zero threat to russia and do not thwart its capabilities of destroying any enemy it may have many times over with nuclear weapons. russian icbm's cannot really be effectively intercepted atm, certainly not with patriot batteries.
but offence and defence are two sides of the saim coin. if one side beefs up its defence against anything the other side is perfectly in their right to respond by improving its offencive capabilities in the same area. icbm's aren't the only weapon russia may need to use. so, inb4 "but those patriot batteries cannot be used offencively you stoopid vicious russki fuk" - yes, they cannot, but nothing is wrong with russia maintaining its capabilities of attacking eu, usa, zimbabve, and <incert whatever country you want here> with whatever weapons russia deems necessary, including iskander missiles. deal with it.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-02-22 07:23:03

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M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6223|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:
The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.

Here we go...

2010-02-22 09:43:33

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Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6766|UK

Shahter wrote:
this had nothing to do with MAD principles. patriot missiles pose absolutely zero threat to russia and do not thwart its capabilities of destroying any enemy it may have many times over with nuclear weapons. russian icbm's cannot really be effectively intercepted atm, certainly not with patriot batteries.
but offence and defence are two sides of the saim coin. if one side beefs up its defence against anything the other side is perfectly in their right to respond by improving its offencive capabilities in the same area. icbm's aren't the only weapon russia may need to use. so, inb4 "but those patriot batteries cannot be used offencively you stoopid vicious russki fuk" - yes, they cannot, but nothing is wrong with russia maintaining its capabilities of attacking eu, usa, zimbabve, and <incert whatever country you want here> with whatever weapons russia deems necessary, including iskander missiles. deal with it.

Major flaw in your theory, it accepts that Russia is likely to be an aggressor. That is the only reason for them to beef up their offense, so they can invade the other country. How is that a good thing? You are basically accepting that Russia is still a backwards fucked up country.

2010-02-22 10:29:50

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5237|Cleveland, Ohio

M.O.A.B wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.
Here we go...

lel

2010-02-22 10:51:30

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Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6775|Moscow, Russia

Vilham wrote:
Shahter wrote:
this had nothing to do with MAD principles. patriot missiles pose absolutely zero threat to russia and do not thwart its capabilities of destroying any enemy it may have many times over with nuclear weapons. russian icbm's cannot really be effectively intercepted atm, certainly not with patriot batteries.
but offence and defence are two sides of the saim coin. if one side beefs up its defence against anything the other side is perfectly in their right to respond by improving its offencive capabilities in the same area. icbm's aren't the only weapon russia may need to use. so, inb4 "but those patriot batteries cannot be used offencively you stoopid vicious russki fuk" - yes, they cannot, but nothing is wrong with russia maintaining its capabilities of attacking eu, usa, zimbabve, and <incert whatever country you want here> with whatever weapons russia deems necessary, including iskander missiles. deal with it.
Major flaw in your theory, it accepts that Russia is likely to be an aggressor.

well spotted! i wouldn't call that a flaw though, more like calling a spade a spade and all - you know, common sence and stuff like that.

That is the only reason for them to beef up their offense, so they can invade the other country.

of course.

How is that a good thing?

imho, it's certainly good for a nation to be capable of invading other countries. you know, some of 'em have been doing just that lately and those are considered pretty damn influential and powerfull, no?

You are basically accepting that Russia is still a backwards fucked up country.

you don't know half of it. but is has nothing to do with what's being discussed here.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-02-23 03:59:19

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6411|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.

No. They recognize that those missiles would make taking out the REAL threat (nuke sites) that much more difficult.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-02-23 04:51:00

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

11 Bravo wrote:
ok Dilbert but you still need to clear up how the patriot missle affects MAD in any way.

Its not hard.

Under MAD both sides will die if either starts it, so its in no-ones interest to start a missile war.

With Patriots the side with Patriots will not die, so they are free to start it without fear of the consequences.

So what was mutually assured destruction becomes assured destruction for the other side.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-02-23 04:51:46)

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2010-02-23 04:53:04

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.
No. They recognize that those missiles would make taking out the REAL threat (nuke sites) that much more difficult.

Which is why they feel threatened by Iran possessing them.

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2010-02-23 04:53:25

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Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6766|UK

Dilbert_X wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
ok Dilbert but you still need to clear up how the patriot missle affects MAD in any way.
Its not hard.

Under MAD both sides will die if either starts it, so its in no-ones interest to start a missile war.

With Patriots the side with Patriots will not die, so they are free to start it without fear of the consequences.

So what was mutually assured destruction becomes assured destruction for the other side.

Except patriot missles cant shoot down nukes. Hence why that doesnt make sense.

2010-02-23 05:06:41

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6106|eXtreme to the maX

So why are they being put there?

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2010-02-23 05:31:25

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Longbow: Member; +163|6646|Odessa, Ukraine

Russians screwed up americans in Iran with delivery of S300's, americans screwed russians in return in Poland. So what? They are doing that for 65 years already, not a big deal.

2010-02-23 06:55:00

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11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5237|Cleveland, Ohio

Vilham wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
ok Dilbert but you still need to clear up how the patriot missle affects MAD in any way.
Its not hard.

Under MAD both sides will die if either starts it, so its in no-ones interest to start a missile war.

With Patriots the side with Patriots will not die, so they are free to start it without fear of the consequences.

So what was mutually assured destruction becomes assured destruction for the other side.
Except patriot missles cant shoot down nukes. Hence why that doesnt make sense.

2010-02-23 08:30:59

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6716

Russia is just trying to show they have a say in everything coz ya know, the whole small man complex coz they got their ass kicked.

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2010-02-23 08:54:10

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ATG: Banned; +5,233|6529|Global Command

Vilham wrote:
Except patriot missles cant shoot down nukes. Hence why that doesnt make sense.

Why? Are they delivered on stealth carrier pigeons?

Any missile can in theory be shot down.

But, if we were serious about national security we would dissolve the fed and deport illegal aliens. We don't, therefor we are not and this is all bullshit.

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