Macbeth
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It's black history month so we might as well have one thread about black history.

W. E. B. Du Bois, founder of the NAACP, published an article called the Talented Tenth, wikipedia describes it as the following
Du Bois used the term "the talented tenth" to describe the likelihood of one in ten black men becoming leaders of their race in the world, through methods such as continuing their education, writing books, or becoming directly involved in social change. He believed they needed a classical liberal education to reach their true destiny as what would in the 20th century be called public intellectuals:
this idea came in conflict with Booker T. Washington, who Du Bois considered an "uncle tom", since Washington theorized that if black people wanted to one day be equals with whites, they will need to achieve economic security. Thus Booker T began to advocate farming among other industrial jobs as the way for black to move up in the world. Du Bois saw this as damning black people to menial labor forever. Booker rationalized it in quotes like this
No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem.
So who do you think had the better idea on black advancement? Considering that the vast amount of black people still live in poverty, do you think Du Bois's idea has become a reality or is moving towards becoming reality?
eleven bravo
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I dont think a successful black farmer could have been president. maybe chairman of the GOP.
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Commie Killer
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Washington.
Superior Mind
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Washington had a better short term plan and did help a lot of black youth through his academy.

DuBois had a better long term plan.
LividBovine
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Why should it be any different for a black person, white person, or any other race.  Isn't it a simple function of applying your talents.  If someone is capable of going to college to get a degree, they should try.  If they don't have what it takes (mentally and/or in work ethic) then they can work the fields.
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Jay
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Both. Why focus on one? The path to success comes from both hard work and education.
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Macbeth wrote:

It's black history month so we might as well have one thread about black history.
Don't forget to follow up with threads about 'National Umbrella' and 'Steroid Abuse Prevention Month' in March.

Turquoise
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Both. Why focus on one? The path to success comes from both hard work and education.
agreed....
AussieReaper
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Both. Why focus on one? The path to success comes from both hard work and education.
But you missed the point Washington makes in that "they will need to achieve economic security" first.

Hard work and education is a path to success, but you are severely restricted in your ability to achieve an education without some form of financial security as back up.
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Turquoise
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AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Both. Why focus on one? The path to success comes from both hard work and education.
But you missed the point Washington makes in that "they will need to achieve economic security" first.

Hard work and education is a path to success, but you are severely restricted in your ability to achieve an education without some form of financial security as back up.
I suppose that depends on the career path you choose.

In some cases, capital means more to success, like starting a business.  In other cases, education matters more, like with being a doctor.

Ultimately, being successful does require financial security, but it is not mandatory for initiating success.
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Both. Why focus on one? The path to success comes from both hard work and education.
But you missed the point Washington makes in that "they will need to achieve economic security" first.

Hard work and education is a path to success, but you are severely restricted in your ability to achieve an education without some form of financial security as back up.
That's not true at all. Perhaps if you're going for a graduate degree but for an undergrad degree? All you need is a social security number and a dream (for loans or military service).
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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