to make themselves feel better, impress family, avoid loneliness, etc. dunno just speculating.LividBovine wrote:
Ok, I'll bite. What the heck are you talking about?Dilbert_X wrote:
Most parents raise children for their own benefit, not for the benefit of the child.
I can see the having children part, but the raising part is what I am curious about.androoz wrote:
to make themselves feel better, impress family, avoid loneliness, etc. dunno just speculating.LividBovine wrote:
Ok, I'll bite. What the heck are you talking about?Dilbert_X wrote:
Most parents raise children for their own benefit, not for the benefit of the child.
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Re raising children.
A lot of parents do it to boost their egos, to try to undo the failures of their own lives by living vicariously through their children, to impress other people with their children's achievements and thus boost their own standing, because they're inadequate and need someone/something to boss around or yell at when they're angry, to save their failed marriage etc.
A lot of parents do it to boost their egos, to try to undo the failures of their own lives by living vicariously through their children, to impress other people with their children's achievements and thus boost their own standing, because they're inadequate and need someone/something to boss around or yell at when they're angry, to save their failed marriage etc.
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Maybe your own parents did this... Not all do. Mine certainly didn't have kids for any of those reasons. Some people just genuinely like kids...Dilbert_X wrote:
Re raising children.
A lot of parents do it to boost their egos, to try to undo the failures of their own lives by living vicariously through their children, to impress other people with their children's achievements and thus boost their own standing, because they're inadequate and need someone/something to boss around or yell at when they're angry, to save their failed marriage etc.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Of course not all do, but many do.
But why exactly?Some people just genuinely like kids...
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Just be the best damn uncle around.burnzz wrote:
correct - my wife and i have been married sixteen years, had two adoptions fall through, tried almost twenty tests/procedures, and the result so far was one near fatal tubal pregnancy.LividBovine wrote:
Can't what? Have children?burnzz wrote:
what about those that can't?
trying to enjoy a meal at a nice restaurant, going to a movie - sometimes i feel i could kill a kid. being around nieces and nephews, i will tell you that women aren't the only ones that feel something is missing, that the clock is almost done ticking.
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Christmas time, birthdays. in ten years time i'll almost be ready to retire, and i'll probably see the world and spend all my worldly wealth.
because there will be no one to leave it to.
Because they are . I can see how some parents may raise their children for selfish reasons, but to say most do seems quite wrong from the experiences I have had with a large number of parents. While the initial reason for conceiving may not be altruistic, the end result of having to raise the child/children is doing what is best for the child, or at least what you think is best for the child/children.Dilbert_X wrote:
Of course not all do, but many do.But why exactly?Some people just genuinely like kids...
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You really just don't know until you have a kid. When I bring my young one upstairs to bed after he has fallen asleep on the couch, tuck him in, give him a kiss to the forehead, and then look at him for a bit. You just know. As much as I love my wife, I would give up my life first to save my kids.LividBovine wrote:
Because they are . I can see how some parents may raise their children for selfish reasons, but to say most do seems quite wrong from the experiences I have had with a large number of parents. While the initial reason for conceiving may not be altruistic, the end result of having to raise the child/children is doing what is best for the child, or at least what you think is best for the child/children.Dilbert_X wrote:
Of course not all do, but many do.But why exactly?Some people just genuinely like kids...
a) dead
b) mental asylum
c) jail
d)????
e)profit
b) mental asylum
c) jail
d)????
e)profit
'd' is probably gonna be me lol.CanadianLoser wrote:
a) dead
b) mental asylum
c) jail
d)????
e)profit
Dilbert doesn't have kids. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about, nor can he possibly relate to what you're talking about.Ilocano wrote:
You really just don't know until you have a kid. When I bring my young one upstairs to bed after he has fallen asleep on the couch, tuck him in, give him a kiss to the forehead, and then look at him for a bit. You just know. As much as I love my wife, I would give up my life first to save my kids.LividBovine wrote:
Because they are . I can see how some parents may raise their children for selfish reasons, but to say most do seems quite wrong from the experiences I have had with a large number of parents. While the initial reason for conceiving may not be altruistic, the end result of having to raise the child/children is doing what is best for the child, or at least what you think is best for the child/children.Dilbert_X wrote:
Of course not all do, but many do.
But why exactly?
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
But I've been a kid, and observed other parents with their kids.
Just because what I'm saying does not fit with your generalisation doesn't mean its wrong.
Just because what I'm saying does not fit with your generalisation doesn't mean its wrong.
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You're generalizing about the wrong end of the equation, though. You could generalize about how a kid views things, as you've been a kid and that may carry some weight, but your generalization of the motivations of parents carries no weight whatsoever.Dilbert_X wrote:
But I've been a kid, and observed other parents with their kids.
Just because what I'm saying does not fit with your generalisation doesn't mean its wrong.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Motivation of some parents.
In some asian countries girls are occasionally killed at birth - cost-benefit of raising a girl does not compute, where are your lofty ideals there?
In some asian countries girls are occasionally killed at birth - cost-benefit of raising a girl does not compute, where are your lofty ideals there?
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Well given that I'm in a totally different situation than I'd have guessed 3 years ago, I'm not even gonna try guess the next 10 years.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
So are you generalizing that those cultural mores somehow obviate all beneficent motivations by parents writ large?Dilbert_X wrote:
Motivation of some parents.
In some asian countries girls are occasionally killed at birth - cost-benefit of raising a girl does not compute, where are your lofty ideals there?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Not at all, just saying there are exceptions to the idea that all parents solely want the best for their kids for purely altruistic reasons.FEOS wrote:
So are you generalizing that those cultural mores somehow obviate all beneficent motivations by parents writ large?
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Never said that all parents are altruistic. Clearly some are not--there is clear evidence of that. But your generalization that parents have kids to live vicariously and whatnot without the qualifier of "some" or "a few" is just utterly flawed.Dilbert_X wrote:
Not at all, just saying there are exceptions to the idea that all parents solely want the best for their kids for purely altruistic reasons.FEOS wrote:
So are you generalizing that those cultural mores somehow obviate all beneficent motivations by parents writ large?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
If you read the thread you'll see the qualifiers.
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I DID read the thread. Hence the discussion.Dilbert_X wrote:
If you read the thread you'll see the qualifiers.
"A lot" was the qualifier you used.
Makes a world of difference. You qualified your generalization with a majority qualifier rather than a minority qualifier.
Did YOU read it? I mean it WAS your post and all.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
No, a lot and many means a large number, not necessarily a majority.
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Same difference. A large number rather than a small number.Dilbert_X wrote:
No, a lot and many means a large number, not necessarily a majority.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Whatever, doesn't matter anyway.
My sample set is probably skewed from being dumped at boarding school with a bunch of fellow dumpees.
My sample set is probably skewed from being dumped at boarding school with a bunch of fellow dumpees.
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