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I think the US needs to start workin' on some mining projects in space to pay for the programs. Maybe start selling moon rocks to enthusiasts or something.

DonFck wrote:

jord wrote:

Personally I don't think there's anything more important to spend money on than space exploration. There's nothing more relevent to our existance than the universe.

Agreed, but currently it's the U.S. who are putting in most funding for the field. Other countries are also participating but not so significantly as the U.S has done.

jord wrote:

That said, going to the moon again doesn't really constitute space exploration.

Going to the moon and establishing a base there is vital for missions further than.. ..well, the moon.

I'm surprised China aren't chipping in with anything larger, it's a shame, the next 50 years could be real exciting if they did.

I guess it is important to establish a forward base on the moon, but I was thinking of exploration on a far lrager scale than just our solar system. In which case the moon doesn't make a massive differance.

I was really interested in Astrology as a kid, I think I'm gonna get back into it.

China is doing something with their taikonauts, but they're not chipping in with NASA/ESA. Also, there's no space race going on which slows down progress to a near halt. Motivation took us to the Moon, no matter how risky or expensive it was.

One of these days

jord wrote:

DonFck wrote:

jord wrote:

Personally I don't think there's anything more important to spend money on than space exploration. There's nothing more relevent to our existance than the universe.

Agreed, but currently it's the U.S. who are putting in most funding for the field. Other countries are also participating but not so significantly as the U.S has done.

jord wrote:

That said, going to the moon again doesn't really constitute space exploration.

Going to the moon and establishing a base there is vital for missions further than.. ..well, the moon.

I'm surprised China aren't chipping in with anything larger, it's a shame, the next 50 years could be real exciting if they did.

I guess it is important to establish a forward base on the moon, but I was thinking of exploration on a far lrager scale than just our solar system. In which case the moon doesn't make a massive differance.

I was really interested in Astrology as a kid, I think I'm gonna get back into it.

Hope you meant astronomy.

jord wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

jord wrote:

I'm surprised China aren't chipping in with anything larger, it's a shame, the next 50 years could be real exciting if they did.

I guess it is important to establish a forward base on the moon, but I was thinking of exploration on a far lrager scale than just our solar system. In which case the moon doesn't make a massive differance.

I was really interested in Astrology as a kid, I think I'm gonna get back into it.

Hope you meant astronomy.

Ha. I'd blame the keyboard but I guess my mind wondered whilst I typed.

GASP! it was such moment to point that out, I thought OMG jord could not have meant that, please say it isn't so, there not way anyone could have assumed what he meant

Mekstizzle wrote:

Rather he cut their ridiculous defense budget than the space budget. But he doesn't have the balls to cut the defence budget, the US is a militarised society. Even the "liberals" don't want a cut in the defence budget. If anything this guy is going to increase the defence budget


if you don't, then the crazy muslims will eat your kids at night

Actually, given the neorealist resurgence in the last 10 years or so their defense budget makes more sense than ever. Why give up power when you are on top? These overly liberal 'disband the military' arguments make less sense now than they did during the Cold War. Robert Kagan on EU- American military policies and relations, if you want me to back these statements.

Pochsy wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Rather he cut their ridiculous defense budget than the space budget. But he doesn't have the balls to cut the defence budget, the US is a militarised society. Even the "liberals" don't want a cut in the defence budget. If anything this guy is going to increase the defence budget


if you don't, then the crazy muslims will eat your kids at night

Actually, given the neorealist resurgence in the last 10 years or so their defense budget makes more sense than ever. Why give up power when you are on top? These overly liberal 'disband the military' arguments make less sense now than they did during the Cold War. Robert Kagan on EU- American military policies and relations, if you want me to back these statements.

Nobody is saying disband it, but I reckon if you are going to start cutting budgets you'd think the DoD would be one of them seeing as they already outspend everyone else combined

You can't honestly tell me Afghanistan is sucking up so much of their defence budget. If they really wanted to, they could commit everything to Afghanistan with the amount of manpower/money they have. It pisses me off when it takes months for their people to make a decision on whether the US should send more troops which ends up being a tiny amount, and then they expect other countries to fill in for them. Fuck that, look at the fucking manpower and money, they could do it all on their own if they really really wanted to.

Active personnel     1,473,900
Budget     $664 billion (FY10)

Fuck that. Acting like it's all hard work, they can't do it on their own and that it's a massive hit on the budget. LOL.

Own defence from what exactly. Terrorism. Terrorism that has been created solely by ourselves anyway. You make the enemy so you can spend money to fight them. Funny how so many so called socialist Euro countries don't actually have to fear terrorism or have any real terror threat. It just happens to be the one's that constantly get involved in wars and other shit like that.

This is what I mean by people acting hysterical when someone mentions cutting the defence spending of the US.

Islamic terrorism wasn't even on the UK terror radar before 9/11, then we get involved in Afghanistan for no real reason other than "solidarity" and all that crap (don't bullshit about NATO, yeah thanks for the help in the Falklands, NATO), ok it starts creeping up, still no real problem though, then you get involved in Iraq, surprise surprise, bombs start going off. Suddenly we have to deal with all these stupid terror laws, body scanners all that crap.

Some people think we would have all this nonsense regardless of whether we went into Iraqistan  because the crazy extremists are just crazy. So where the hell was all this shit before we started getting involved in this shit. It was hardly there, nothing compared to how it ended up being.

The worst thing is, the UK is no stranger to terrorism. For decades it was being bombed by the IRA and all that. Suddenly you get one bombing from the Islamics, despite years of bombing under the IRA, now the government decides to do all this anti-terror stuff, eroding freedoms, all that nonsense. It doesn't add up. When you look at the governments response to Islamic terrorism and if you applied it to the IRA throughout the troubles, I would have probably been born in a complete police state under total lockdown.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-02-01 07:52:24)

JohnG@lt wrote:

Yeah, we should cut our DoD. It would be funny to watch the EU scramble to rearm. I wonder how many of their socialist programs would disappear once they had to pay for their own defense.

Not to mention US spent a hell lot more than whole of Western Europe COMBINED in defending Europe during the Cold War. US is always carrying a lot of weight defending the world imo. Shit load of Humanitarian stuff goes through the military and first response teams to emergencies.

US military does need to shrink too imo... Especially airforce imo.

JohnG@lt wrote:

history shows that once a European country decides to arm itself, it leads to an arms race and eventually a continental war.

and the US arming itself leads to dozens of wars too, not to mention arms races.

Anyway ffs can we just have a chat about space exploration without mentioning weapons spending for once?

I don't even know why you guys are acting like this is the Cold War regarding US spending and Europe, or this is pre-WW2 Europe (Galt wtf)

This is just stupid