The Housing Question

2010-01-24 16:02:36

#1

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

Engels wrote a book called "The Housing Question", I read it last year.

In the book Engels states that there is a serious problem with affordable housing. The problem was that many people were unable to move and were tied to the land they owned because there was a lack of affordable housing. The question was how to solve it.

Would you say there is a problem with affordable housing today and if so what would your solution be?

2010-01-24 16:03:30

#2

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5545|foggy bottom

housing is getting dirt cheap

Tu Stultus Es

2010-01-24 16:07:00

#3

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws. NYC and California have the strictest zoning and restrictions laws on the books. Houston has no zoning laws. Housing in California and NYC is the highest in the country. Houston ranks 9th or so in affordability.

It's supply and demand. The more you restrict the supply, the higher the price goes because demand pressures drive it ever upward.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-01-24 16:07:48

#4

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws.

Worked for Haiti right?

O yeah I went there.

2010-01-24 16:08:54

#5

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws.
Worked for Haiti right?

O yeah I went there.

??? What does Haiti have to do with anything?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-01-24 16:09:30

#6

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5545|foggy bottom

JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws. NYC and California have the strictest zoning and restrictions laws on the books. Houston has no zoning laws. Housing in California and NYC is the highest in the country. Houston ranks 9th or so in affordability.

It's supply and demand. The more you restrict the supply, the higher the price goes because demand pressures drive it ever upward.

I remember rent somewhere off of 10th street and rancier costing about 225 a month for a decent apartment in a shitty neighborhood.

Tu Stultus Es

2010-01-24 16:09:53

#7

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

JohnG@lt wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws.
Worked for Haiti right?

O yeah I went there.
??? What does Haiti have to do with anything?

Their houses fell on them because of how poorly they were made.

Poor, poor bastards.

2010-01-24 16:11:30

#8

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Macbeth wrote:

Worked for Haiti right?

O yeah I went there.
??? What does Haiti have to do with anything?
Their houses fell on them because of how poorly they were made.

Poor, poor bastards.

No no no. I'm not talking about building standards, I'm talking about height restrictions, minimum property restrictions etc.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-01-24 16:13:17

#9

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

JohnG@lt wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

??? What does Haiti have to do with anything?
Their houses fell on them because of how poorly they were made.

Poor, poor bastards.
No no no. I'm not talking about building standards, I'm talking about height restrictions, minimum property restrictions etc.

O very well. Carry on.

2010-01-24 16:14:45

#10

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6887|132 and Bush

Most restrictions/fees that directly affect housing cost are voluntary.. CDD's.. HOA's.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2010-01-24 16:18:22

#11

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

Kmarion wrote:
Most restrictions/fees that directly affect housing cost are voluntary.. CDD's.. HOA's.

And their whole reason for being is to protect home values by limiting what people can do to their homes. It artificially keeps prices inflated and restricts less desirable people from moving in. The house I am typing this message from is sitting in an area that is zoned for minimum 4 acre lots to prevent development. Not surprisingly, this town has the highest cost of living in the entire country

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-01-24 16:29:47

#12

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6887|132 and Bush

I'm a Realtor, I know . It's a pain in the ass when Realtors don't put hoa's and cdd's in their listings when you have a client that refuses to pay them no matter what.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2010-01-24 16:33:08

#13

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

Kmarion wrote:
I'm a Realtor, I know . It's a pain in the ass when Realtors don't put hoa's and cdd's in their listings when you have a client that refuses to pay them no matter what.

Florida is pretty bad. I don't think I'll ever wish to join a HOA or any of that crap. I'd rather buy a few hundred acres in the country somewhere and plop down a house in the middle of it. No one can bother you then

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-01-24 16:33:28)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-01-24 16:48:32

#14

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6824|Long Island, New York

we actually just put our house up for sale... 3 bedroom, 2 bath ranch. asking price was set at $375K... a lot more than we thought.

my mom's hoping to get the house sold before april as well because obama instated some tax credit thing for first time home buyers, so hopefully that'll have it sold pretty quickly

2010-01-24 17:19:59

#15

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6392|eXtreme to the maX

Build crummy clapperboard houses which are cheaper to tear down and rebuild than refurbish.

Fuck Israel

2010-01-24 17:25:45

#16

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6809|...

eleven bravo wrote:
housing is getting dirt cheap

credit is not

2010-01-24 22:15:04

#17

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6967|Disaster Free Zone

eleven bravo wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws. NYC and California have the strictest zoning and restrictions laws on the books. Houston has no zoning laws. Housing in California and NYC is the highest in the country. Houston ranks 9th or so in affordability.

It's supply and demand. The more you restrict the supply, the higher the price goes because demand pressures drive it ever upward.
I remember rent somewhere off of 10th street and rancier costing about 225 a month for a decent apartment in a shitty neighborhood.

Cheap!!!

3 of my friends just got an apartment together and are paying $560 a week and that was cheap for the area with prices going up to $1100 a week.

2010-01-24 22:26:49

#18

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6961|Canberra, AUS

DrunkFace wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
You make housing cheap by loosening building restrictions and zoning laws. NYC and California have the strictest zoning and restrictions laws on the books. Houston has no zoning laws. Housing in California and NYC is the highest in the country. Houston ranks 9th or so in affordability.

It's supply and demand. The more you restrict the supply, the higher the price goes because demand pressures drive it ever upward.
I remember rent somewhere off of 10th street and rancier costing about 225 a month for a decent apartment in a shitty neighborhood.
Cheap!!!

3 of my friends just got an apartment together and are paying $560 a week and that was cheap for the area with prices going up to $1100 a week.

if you live in sydney i'm not surprised. rent prices are ludicrous there

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-01-24 22:29:16

#19

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

housing to me has always been a scam. unless you flip houses when everything is hot, its really no advantage to you. i added up what i spent on the house and what i spent when i rented....it was damn near the same and renting was less a pain in the ass tbh.

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