Not quite. What do they call the merger of state and business?
Semi-state?Phrozenbot wrote:
Not quite. What do they call the merger of state and business?
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It's those evil dirty USGS assholes causing all of this trouble!Braddock wrote:
Where's the love people!? Chavez is nowhere near as bad as some of the guys America has backed in the past. Yes, he's got flaws. Yes, he appears to be prone to moments of madness in his policies. But I honestly believe he's just a man with his heart in the right place who has lost the run of himself. Evil dictators don't set up socialist supermarkets and restaurants to provide cheap food for the less well-off (a shit idea that will never work but his heart is in the right place). Chavez appears to suffer from extreme paranoia as regards political opponents and that is somewhat understandable given that US-backed coup attempts have been foiled in the past. Chavez has never been a real threat to the US and he's not killing or enslaving people like some Middle Eastern despot, America should just mind their own business when it comes to Venezuelan affairs. So Venezuela has loads of oil? Good for them... hands off America!FEOS wrote:
Oh yes. That's why.Dilbert_X wrote:
Explains why the US has been so interested in Venezuela lately.
It's not nutjobs and their nutjob policies, trying to influence the entire hemisphere.
Anyone thinking America is going to "take it" uninvited is nuts. No company in their right mind would invest in a country that decides it is going to take over entire industries when ever it feels like it.
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I don't think the US would be brazen enough to invade Venezuela, it will just continue to quietly foment revolt like it has always done in South America. Western companies certainly won't be tempted by the situation but the Russian and Chinese may try their hand depending on the kind of deal they can strike.Kmarion wrote:
It's those evil dirty USGS assholes causing all of this trouble!Braddock wrote:
Where's the love people!? Chavez is nowhere near as bad as some of the guys America has backed in the past. Yes, he's got flaws. Yes, he appears to be prone to moments of madness in his policies. But I honestly believe he's just a man with his heart in the right place who has lost the run of himself. Evil dictators don't set up socialist supermarkets and restaurants to provide cheap food for the less well-off (a shit idea that will never work but his heart is in the right place). Chavez appears to suffer from extreme paranoia as regards political opponents and that is somewhat understandable given that US-backed coup attempts have been foiled in the past. Chavez has never been a real threat to the US and he's not killing or enslaving people like some Middle Eastern despot, America should just mind their own business when it comes to Venezuelan affairs. So Venezuela has loads of oil? Good for them... hands off America!FEOS wrote:
Oh yes. That's why.
It's not nutjobs and their nutjob policies, trying to influence the entire hemisphere.
Anyone thinking America is going to "take it" uninvited is nuts. No company in their right mind would invest in a country that decides it is going to take over entire industries when ever it feels like it.
British Petroleum Iraq Oil Deal is Start of Something Big
My ex's Dad was a big shot at Verizon (GTE back in the day). They got hosed bad. They were offered the opportunity to come in and rebuild/build up their telephone network. They agreed to the terms and invested heavily into the country. Then they were booted out. They lived there for two years. The country was really screwed up back then. We were there for at least two coup attempts. Constant body guards, airports being shutdown (no getting out).. fun stuff. It's no fun when you are smack dab in the middle of it.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
my cousin just went back there after visiting here for the new year. I think he's trying to move here.
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100% different now. At least with security. This was like 92-93 when I was there.eleven bravo wrote:
my cousin just went back there after visiting here for the new year. I think he's trying to move here.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I went there in 1988 i was kid though so my memory of it is a bit fuzzy. I remember lots of rain, beautiful beaches and getting bitten by some kind of poisonous spider which made my eyes swell up to the point I couldnt see for a couple of days
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Tu Stultus Es
I remember going fishing and catching piranhas. Then seeing kids playing on the same shore and thinking.. wtf? Peacock bass is good stuff though, that is what we were fishing for. Our guide would cut the heads off and feed them to his ocelot. I also remember the monkeys.. they'd throw stuff at you if you got close..lol
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I don't think Venezuela's oil is that much of a concern. We already buy a ton of it anyway, so there's no reason to try and seize it.
I've heard that there is supposed to be a deposit of oil under or around Haiti that is pretty large. I suppose we could maybe work out a deal with Haiti given recent events to gain access to it.
EDIT: fixed a redundant phrase... lol
I've heard that there is supposed to be a deposit of oil under or around Haiti that is pretty large. I suppose we could maybe work out a deal with Haiti given recent events to gain access to it.
EDIT: fixed a redundant phrase... lol
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[tongue-in-cheek] conspiracy theorists would absolutely love that [/tongue-in-cheek]Turquoise wrote:
I don't think Venezuela's oil is that much of a concern. We already buy a ton of it anyway, so there's no reason to try and seize it.
I've heard that there is supposed to be a large deposit of oil under or around Haiti that is pretty large. I suppose we could maybe work out a deal with Haiti given recent events to gain access to it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Of course I'm being one-sided about it.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lol right
You are being ridiculously one sided about it. Our interests are our interests and not more valuable than their interests on an international forum, and he's only a nutjob because he's on the other side.
I think he's a nutjob and I disagree with his approach and what he's trying to do. Far more than I disagree with what the US government is trying to do or its approach.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Every nation acts according to its own perceived interests. Not every other nation in the world is going to necessarily agree with those interests. It's not a popularity contest--it's OK to disagree with another country's policies and actions.Phrozenbot wrote:
But FM has a point FEOS, maybe we should clean our own house before we go thumbing our nose? Even if Chavez is a complete nut.
Recognizing that countries act according to their interests and not your interests (if you're from another country) is a step towards adulthood, I suppose.
It's not about "cleaning our own house" at all. It's about recognizing that our issues with Venezuela have fucking zero to do with oil and everything to do with Chavez's policies and the actions he takes in line with what he perceives to be his nation's interests.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FEOS wrote:
It's not nutjobs and their nutjob policies, trying to influence the entire hemisphere.
Give us a call when you need odd hair growth, changes in your voice etc explained.FEOS wrote:
Recognizing that countries act according to their interests and not your interests (if you're from another country) is a step towards adulthood, I suppose.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
icwatutriedtodotharDilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
It's not nutjobs and their nutjob policies, trying to influence the entire hemisphere.Give us a call when you need odd hair growth, changes in your voice etc explained.FEOS wrote:
Recognizing that countries act according to their interests and not your interests (if you're from another country) is a step towards adulthood, I suppose.
Too bad you failed miserably.
One can recognize a nation acts according to its own interests and still disagree with those policies. As I pointed out earlier in the same post you quoted:
FEOS wrote:
Every nation acts according to its own perceived interests. Not every other nation in the world is going to necessarily agree with those interests. It's not a popularity contest--it's OK to disagree with another country's policies and actions.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
So what is the USGS doing surveying Venezuela's oil anyway?
Shouldn't they be looking for oil in the US?
Shouldn't they be looking for oil in the US?
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
A little onesided of you to think he failed miserably FEOS ... just saying ...
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Not in the first post though.FEOS wrote:
As I pointed out earlier in the same post you quoted
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
But to overlook the words right above the words you cherry-picked.Dilbert_X wrote:
Not in the first post though.FEOS wrote:
As I pointed out earlier in the same post you quoted
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No inconsistency at all in what I said, in spite of your best pseudo-journalistic efforts to make it seem so.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Nope, still not getting it.11 Bravo wrote:
rivetingCammRobb wrote:
And cue invasion in 3...2...1
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
They look world-wide.Dilbert_X wrote:
So what is the USGS doing surveying Venezuela's oil anyway?
Shouldn't they be looking for oil in the US?
It's the Geological Survey of the US. That doesn't mean it's restricted to the US borders.
Only because he did.Varegg wrote:
A little onesided of you to think he failed miserably FEOS ... just saying ...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
We already established that it isn't about oil. So what is it about then, him being a socialist pig and a nutter? Okay I agree, however, we've been a tad socialistic as of late too. Maybe not to the extreme of out-right nationalizing entire markets or industries, but we're leaning in that direction more and more.FEOS wrote:
Every nation acts according to its own perceived interests. Not every other nation in the world is going to necessarily agree with those interests. It's not a popularity contest--it's OK to disagree with another country's policies and actions.Phrozenbot wrote:
But FM has a point FEOS, maybe we should clean our own house before we go thumbing our nose? Even if Chavez is a complete nut.
Recognizing that countries act according to their interests and not your interests (if you're from another country) is a step towards adulthood, I suppose.
It's not about "cleaning our own house" at all. It's about recognizing that our issues with Venezuela have fucking zero to do with oil and everything to do with Chavez's policies and the actions he takes in line with what he perceives to be his nation's interests.
So Chavez can ruin business in his country by nationalizing everything, and we can ruin ours with unserviceable debt. I'm waiting to hear what is so important about Venezuela that is in 'our' best interest.
Yes he can.. as a Mugabe protege.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Latin America always has some country default or hyper inflate. Why won't they learn.
Can I ask a question? Why do so many Americans hate Socialists and Socialism even when it's outside of the United States? It really seems like you've been brainwashed to believe that Socialism is evil, or even contagious! The EU is by and large socialist and we've got along okay since that whole Hitler hiccup. Is the American Capitalist dream really that paranoid that it has to try and stamp out Socialism wherever possible?Phrozenbot wrote:
We already established that it isn't about oil. So what is it about then, him being a socialist pig and a nutter? Okay I agree, however, we've been a tad socialistic as of late too. Maybe not to the extreme of out-right nationalizing entire markets or industries, but we're leaning in that direction more and more.FEOS wrote:
Every nation acts according to its own perceived interests. Not every other nation in the world is going to necessarily agree with those interests. It's not a popularity contest--it's OK to disagree with another country's policies and actions.Phrozenbot wrote:
But FM has a point FEOS, maybe we should clean our own house before we go thumbing our nose? Even if Chavez is a complete nut.
Recognizing that countries act according to their interests and not your interests (if you're from another country) is a step towards adulthood, I suppose.
It's not about "cleaning our own house" at all. It's about recognizing that our issues with Venezuela have fucking zero to do with oil and everything to do with Chavez's policies and the actions he takes in line with what he perceives to be his nation's interests.
So Chavez can ruin business in his country by nationalizing everything, and we can ruin ours with unserviceable debt. I'm waiting to hear what is so important about Venezuela that is in 'our' best interest.
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