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A bill currently before the Senate would empower the Obama administration to nationalize the student lending industry, eliminating the federally subsidized private loans millions of university students rely on to finance their educations.

Under the current system, the federal government subsidizes private financial institutions in order to entice those institutions to provide low-interest loans to students.

Under this arrangement the government sets the interest rates lenders may charge students. In return, the government reimburses lenders if market interest rates rise above the interest rates on the loans – in essence, the government reimburses private lenders if they begin losing money on the loans.

In return, the lenders agree to return any windfall profits made from the loans to the government. In other words, if market interest rates fall below the interest rates of the loans, the lenders pay the government the difference.

The government also agrees to reimburse the lenders should a student default.

Under the system proposed by Obama, the government would cut private lenders out of the picture entirely, setting the interest rates and collecting payments directly for all student lending.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/60074
I don't understand why people bitch so much about student loans. It's not too hard to hold down a job and do university at the same time and you can't seriously expect a career as a philosopher with your new Philosophy degree.

Story time
I was sitting in class today and heard a young woman tell another student that "she needed to get away from the parents" so she took out extra student loan money to dorm when she could have just commuted and would have less money to owe to a student loan provider. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it her own fault for the extra debt she will have once school is over because she didn't want to live under her parents rules?

My sympathy is lacking in that circumstance, IMHO most people who bitch about student loans are just irresponsible or unrealistic.

Last edited by Macbeth (2010-01-20 19:53:30)

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Now students are learning from their parents that it's ok to default on a loan.
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how much is your tuition?
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Macbeth wrote:

My sympathy is lacking in that circumstance, IMHO most people who bitch about student loans are just irresponsible or unrealistic.
precisely

I'm probably going to take out a $5-8K student loan. I'd never do it if I didn't think I'd be paying it back in the end.
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eleven bravo wrote:

how much is your tuition?
6 2/3rds years though college while working full time, thank you.
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Harmor wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

how much is your tuition?
6 2/3rds years though college while working full time, thank you.
youre welcome.


I was asking the OP, thank you
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A step in the right direction.

Macbeth wrote:

It's not too hard to hold down a job and do university at the same time and you can't seriously expect a career as a philosopher with your new Philosophy degree.
Not everyone does arts.
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Most of the people that bitch about student loans are the people that chose useless degrees that pay $30k a year. If your goal in life is to be a starving artist, why bother going to college?

The government has now taken over 90% of the home loan business and is moving into student loans. Fuck, with all that interest coming in, they should never have to raise taxes again. People should be much more scared and irate about the nationalization of the industry of loans than they are. I'm actually disappointed by my fellow countrymen.

Oh, and good luck defaulting on a government loan because they will just confiscate your tax returns until the bill is paid. They get you coming and going and there is no hiding from it.
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Jay
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Btw, this isn't really new news, this article was printed in the WSJ in Sep '09:
The furor over President Obama's trillion-dollar restructuring of American health care has left his other trillion-dollar plan starved for attention. That's how much the federal balance sheet will expand over the next decade if Mr. Obama can convince Congress to approve his pending takeover of the student-loan market.

The Obama plan calls for the U.S. Department of Education to move from its current 20% share of the student-loan origination market to 80% on July 1, 2010, when private lenders will be barred from making government-guaranteed loans. The remaining 20% of the market that is now completely private will likely shrink further as lenders try to comply with regulations Congress created last year. Starting next summer, taxpayers will have to put up roughly $100 billion per year to lend to students.
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For decades, loans carrying a federal guarantee have been the most common way of borrowing for college. After raising money in the private capital markets, lenders made the loans, paying a fee to the government for each one. The government covered most of the cost of defaults while allowing the private lenders to make a regulated return.

The system broke down after Congress in 2007 legislated a return so low that no private lenders could make money holding these assets. To keep the money flowing to student borrowers, the government began buying the loans from private originators last year. But this larger federal role was intended to be temporary, with an expiration date next summer. The news from Washington now is that rather than scaling back federal involvement, the pols want the U.S. Department of Education to be the exclusive banker to America's college students.

It's not a popular idea on campus. Loans directly from the feds have been available for decades, but the government's poor customer service has resulted in most borrowers choosing private lenders. This week three dozen college administrators, representing schools from Notre Dame to Nevada-Reno, signed a letter urging a longer transition period to this "public option." The fear is that the bureaucrats will not be able to pull off a takeover in just eight months. "Any delay in getting funds to schools on behalf of students will result in our needing to find resources at a time when credit is difficult to obtain," warns the letter.

Tough luck for the Irish. Democrats have already greased this fall's budget reconciliation to pass all of this on a mere majority vote. They are helped by rigged government accounting that disguises the cost of making below-market loans to unemployed 18-year-olds. Democrats have claimed their plan "saves" $87 billion in mandatory spending by cutting out the private middlemen, and the Congressional Budget Office has dutifully "scored" $87 billion in mandatory "savings" (or a net of $80 billion after subtracting administrative costs).

But in a remarkable letter to Senator Judd Gregg, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf admits that government accounting is bogus. He writes that the statutory methodology "does not include the cost to the government stemming from the risk that the cash flows may be less than the amount projected (that is, that defaults could be higher than projected)." Mr. Elmendorf further notes that the government's accounting system is specifically skewed to make direct loans from the government appear to cost much less than guaranteed loans made by private lenders. He says the real "savings" are only $47 billion, even though, in a deception that would be criminal fraud if it weren't mandated by Congress, the official estimate remains at $80 billion.

Even the unofficial number is dubious. The government has been claiming lower default rates than private lenders, but most government loans have been to students at four-year colleges. The private lenders have serviced a higher percentage of students at community and two-year colleges, where defaults are more common regardless of lender.

If the feds are now making and owning all such loans, expect default rates to soar. When the government hires contractors to collect on its loans, it pays them for simply calling the borrower, regardless of the result. Private lenders, on the other hand, make money from a performing loan and have a greater incentive to do careful underwriting and aggressive collection.
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The government will nonetheless start spending these illusory "savings" immediately, and this spending is certain to top official estimates. The Obama plan also adds a CBO-estimated $46 billion in new spending over 10 years to enlarge Pell grants. Ominously for the federal fisc, starting in 2011 these grants will automatically rise each year by the consumer price index plus 1%. Not that students will actually benefit from this subsidy explosion. Colleges have reliably raised prices to capture every federal dollar earmaked for education financing.

Rep. John Kline (R., Minn.) decided the cost estimate for Pell grants was too low, so he asked CBO to take a second look. Along comes another enlightening letter from Mr. Elmendorf. This week he wrote that Mr. Kline is correct—it looks like they will cost another $11 billion. Unfortunately, the earlier estimate must remain the official score under budgeting rules, even though the official scorekeeper says it is wrong.

All of this is certain to pass the House, and the only chance for stopping it is in the Senate. If it passes, parents will soon have no choice beyond a Washington bureaucracy to borrow money for their college-bound children, and taxpayers will pay a fortune for the privilege.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 21052.html
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Best news I've heard since I don't know when.
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Here we don't pay interest on the Governments student loans.

However, it is indexed, so each year it will rise or fall with the rate of inflation.

I can't see why should students be forced to hold down a job and work their way through university, when instead they can focus full time on study and pay the money back when they do start working.

Your current system either forces people out of higher education, or into added pressures of working while studying.
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AussieReaper wrote:

Here we don't pay interest on the Governments student loans.

However, it is indexed, so each year it will rise or fall with the rate of inflation.

I can't see why should students be forced to hold down a job and work their way through university, when instead they can focus full time on study and pay the money back when they do start working.

Your current system either forces people out of higher education, or into added pressures of working while studying.
It's like we're trying to keep people from contributing to society.

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Do you guys have to pay it back only once you're earning a certain amount of money?

That's what the deal is here, you take out your student loan, and you only start paying it back when you earn £13.5k a year.
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

It's like we're trying to keep people from contributing to society.
I'm sure some here will argue that to contribute to society you should hold down a job while studying, but imo it's taking away the potential of high skilled workers which can contribute more to that society.

@ Cam, yeah it works the same here.
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Jay
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Sorry Ozzies, this isn't making school free for everyone, it's just changing who students will take loans from. Our government is not supposed to make a profit on any program it runs. This includes the interest on loans that it may provide. The only source of revenue our government is supposed to receive is via taxation.

People will still have to take out loans or work to pay for school if they don't want loans etc.
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maybe the OP doesnt even pay for his own tuition?
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I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.

Last edited by Macbeth (2010-01-21 09:13:25)

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Macbeth wrote:

I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.
LOL, that sounds like a great school...
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I really see no problem here. Student loans are subsidized anyway. Why give big banks a guaranteed government backed revenue source? Education is vital to the prosperity of our nation.
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ghettoperson wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.
LOL, that sounds like a great school...
Eh, in state tuition at state schools is usually pretty cheap. $5000 is actually about the average for a school in NJ with the exception of Rutgers.
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Macbeth wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.
LOL, that sounds like a great school...
Eh, in state tuition at state schools is usually pretty cheap. $5000 is actually about the average for a school in NJ with the exception of Rutgers.
(and Princeton)

Does Rutgers still have the highest STD rate in the country?

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Macbeth
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

LOL, that sounds like a great school...
Eh, in state tuition at state schools is usually pretty cheap. $5000 is actually about the average for a school in NJ with the exception of Rutgers.
(and Princeton)

Does Rutgers still have the highest STD rate in the country?
I was talking about state schools.

Private are more expensive derp but not by as much as you would think.

One of my favorite porn stars, Joanna Angel, went to Rutgers. lol
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Macbeth wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.
LOL, that sounds like a great school...
Eh, in state tuition at state schools is usually pretty cheap. $5000 is actually about the average for a school in NJ with the exception of Rutgers.
Not the price, just NJCU sounds awful... Although it makes a lot of sense as to why you're always going on about how easy college is
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Macbeth wrote:

I do. State University NJCU. Not much about $5000. Per sem.
more than what tuitition is for me, its about 8 g's for 4 quarters.  GI Bill covers it though
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