not his 'fault', but as atg and kmar point out he certainly hasn't helped create a country able to cope with the disaster... although it probably made little practical difference.Harmor wrote:
Democrats: "It's Bush's Fault." LOL
My wife actually mentioned that last night.Chou wrote:
Anyone up for some adoptions now that the little kids have lost their parents?
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This is the time if you want to adopt, the "hassle" in the procedure couldn't be less.LividBovine wrote:
My wife actually mentioned that last night.Chou wrote:
Anyone up for some adoptions now that the little kids have lost their parents?
I hear yaDBBrinson1 wrote:
....I have very little faith in my "neighbors"...
Never heard of Haiti bashing the US.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
delicious irony:
all that america-bashing in central america and the caribbean and now everyone is begging for 10000 us troops
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What the actual fuck.
Rethuglicans : "its obama's fault"...... get the picture homie.Harmor wrote:
Democrats: "It's Bush's Fault." LOL
I read your "I hate the US topics and posts and laugh usually... but F U on this one...ruisleipa wrote:
some very powerful images here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 … later.html
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/s … 730303.jpg
A man pulls the body of an earthquake victim from a coffin in order to steal the coffin at the cemetery in Port-au-Prince, Friday, Jan. 15, 2010. (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)
Although the US might have good intentions, it's not helping that they have blockaded the airport and are preventing aid flights from landing, ostensibly in order to fly in more troops, occupy Haiti and protect property. Oh, and until they get out all the US citizens of course, cos they're the most important ones naturally.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/0 … 635499.php
"French, Brazilian and other officials had earlier complained about the U.S.-run airport's refusal to allow their supply planes to land. A World Food Program official told The New York Times that the Americans' priorities were out of sync, allowing too many U.S. military flights and too few aid deliveries.
The U.S. has completely taken over Port-au-Prince airspace and incoming flights have to register with Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, said Chief Master Sgt. Ty Foster, Air Force spokesman here."
It's not like the US is the only country giving aid, but they're the only one blocking it. Thoughts on that, my American friends?
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I don't mind being called a racist or bigot or whatever in this case but I'll say what I think about this anyway...Kmarion wrote:
Have you heard that there is a push to have hatians brought to Jacksonville and distributed to Tampa and Miami? awsmDBBrinson1 wrote:
Sad. Living in FL, this is why I own an AR & Mini14. Not because Haitians are going to invade, but because natural disasters are a reality and I have very little faith in my "neighbors"...ORLANDO — With hurricane supplies stacked up for three years, the state is in a position to provide relief to Haitians devastated by a major earthquake earlier this week.
However, Gov. Charlie Crist added that any plan to shelter Haitian refugees and U.S. nationals living in Haiti in several locations throughout Florida will depend upon the federal government.
“We’ll have to see, we’ve got to work with our federal friends on how that is done, if necessary, in a very organized and cooperative way,” Crist said during a pause in the state’s 2010 economic job summit in Orlando Friday.
WFTV.com in Orlando reported Thursday that more than 4,000 Haitian refugees could be coming to Central Florida, as the Red Cross plans to bring the Haitian refugees, as well as more than 45,000 U.S. nationals living in Haiti, to cities such as Jacksonville, Tampa, Miami and Orlando.
Crist said he’s been in touch with the Department of Homeland Security regarding Florida’s role in the relief efforts in Haiti.
“We want to be in touch with the state department, make sure that we’re doing what is necessary for these people to get the help they need and deserve,” Crist said. “This is about providing humanitarian support, providing the comfort that this country needs.”
Their acceptance of corruption? You have no idea wtf you're talking about.Macbeth wrote:
I think these people will eventually be a miniature little crime wave in Florida. I'm not saying that because of their dark skin or anything but because of their prior living conditions which were far below our own and their acceptance of corruption.
If you say so...AussieReaper wrote:
Their acceptance of corruption? You have no idea wtf you're talking about.Macbeth wrote:
I think these people will eventually be a miniature little crime wave in Florida. I'm not saying that because of their dark skin or anything but because of their prior living conditions which were far below our own and their acceptance of corruption.
Alleged Coup Attempt Revealed in HaitiMacbeth wrote:
If you say so...AussieReaper wrote:
Their acceptance of corruption? You have no idea wtf you're talking about.Macbeth wrote:
I think these people will eventually be a miniature little crime wave in Florida. I'm not saying that because of their dark skin or anything but because of their prior living conditions which were far below our own and their acceptance of corruption.
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, October 20, 2000 (UPI) - Eight senior police officers were arrested Thursday after Haitian officials said they had uncovered a potential coup. Haitian Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was quoted by the British Broadcasting Corp. as saying, "Certainly, there were police who met and plotted to create disorder."
Six of the men were arrested in the Dominican Republic at the Haitian border and the other two in Port-au-Prince after nearly a week of rumors that a coup was about to be carried off. All of those arrested were members of the Haitian National Police.
Haitian President Rene Preval on Wednesday said, "There are well-founded rumors. Today we can say that we are controlling the situation."
Authorities said the plot was allegedly trying to derail plans for Haiti's presidential elections next month. The elections still are not assured of occurring, however, since the main opposition parties are boycotting them as a result of alleged problems during this year's parliamentary elections and officials said the presidential polls could be postponed.
(C) 2000 UPI.
Take a look at how the previous Governments were overthrown, and held onto power.Former police chiefs implicated in National Palace attack
Captured former soldier reveals names of alleged coup plotters. Written by Charles Arthur for the Haiti Support Group, 21 December 2001 (sources: Reuters, AP, Haiti Press Network, Haiti Progres)
An ex-soldier admitted on Thursday that he took part in the attack on the National Palace in a coup attempt, saying fellow conspirators included a former army colonel, and two former police chiefs who fled the country after a previous alleged coup plot in October 2000.
Former FAD'H sergeant, Pierre Richardson, said he attended meetings in the Dominican capital of Santo Domingo to plan the attack along with Guy Philippe, former police chief of the northern city of Cap-Haitien, and Jean-Jacques Nau, former police chief of the Delmas suburb of Port-au-Prince.
According to the police, Richardson, who has a bullet wound in his leg after Monday's assault on the presidential palace, had been stopped on a road near the border with the neighbouring Dominican Republic. When apprehended by police, he was said to have been carrying a wad of cash and an M16 rifle. The police say that Richardson had been involved in the July 28 attacks on the national Police Academy and three police stations, which left five dead and 14 wounded. Apparently, he later fled to Dominican Republic where he was granted temporary residence this month.
At a press conference at the main Port-au-Prince police station, Richardson said 23 or 24 attackers stormed the palace in an attempt to oust President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. "It was a coup d'etat," Richardson said. "The plan was to enter the National Palace."
Guy François
Richardson, the only palace attacker caught alive so far, spoke to reporters a day after one of those he implicated, former FAD'H colonel, Guy François, was arrested for helping to plan the failed coup. In 1989, when François was commander of the Dessalines barracks in central Port-au-Prince, he had conspired with other officers in an attempt to overthrow the then dictator Lt. Gen. Prosper Avril. When the plan was foiled, François fled to Venezuela. It is unclear when he returned to Haiti.
Reuters reports police chief Dady Simeon saying that François was arrested at Port-au-Prince International Airport late on Wednesday as he attempted to board a flight bound for Venezuela. Other news agencies report that François was arrested in Port-au-Prince while driving a car with Dominican license plates. The police have not said what charges he faces. François' daughter, speaking to reporters, denied that François had any involvement in the attacks, and said he was at home on Sunday night.
Guy Philippe
Richardson revealed that at the meeting in Santo Domingo, former Cap-Haitien police chief, Guy Philippe, "told us that former Colonel Guy François would organise a backup for us in Haiti." But when the group began the attack, no backup force materialised, he said. His account appears to confirm Haitian police officials' claim to have intercepted radio transmissions in which the attackers identified their leader as Philippe.
Philippe, who is also an ex-soldier who had been assigned to the police force that replaced the army, sought refuge in Dominican Republic in October 2000 along with seven others accused of plotting a coup. (Details of the October 2000 plot appeared in the weekly newspaper, Haiti Progres, at that time. Apparently, Philippe, Nau, and other former police chiefs who had been fired from the force, together with former soldiers and civilians, had two meetings at the private residence of a US military attaché in Haiti, a certain Major Douyon, on October 8 and October 11 2000. Also present or at least expected, according to an unconfirmed report by Radio Kiskeya on October 24 2000, was the US chargé d'affaires, Leslie Alexander. When the Haitian government found out about the meetings, Philippe, Nau and six other police chiefs fled to the Dominican Republic, where they applied for political asylum.)
Philippe later moved to Ecuador, but he flew back to Dominican Republic two weeks before last Monday's assault, Dominican officials said. After the attack, he returned to Ecuador, where on Thursday he was being held by immigration police in Quito while he appealed a government decision to deport him to Panama, the country from which his flight had arrived. Haitian government officials have asked Ecuador to extradite him. Philippe, who had phoned Radio Carnival in Miami from the Dominican Republic to deny involvement, meanwhile told reporters in Quito, "How am I going to mobilise troops? By remote control?"
Five attackers killed
Police said that the one attacker to die during the shoot-out at the National Palace was Chavret Milot, also a former soldier. Police chief Simeon said that four other gunmen had been killed by a civilian crowd on Monday when they were forced to abandon their vehicle after it was damaged by heavy police fire in the Thomazeau neighborhood in western Port-au-Prince. Government sources said the car they were driving had Dominican plates, and speculated that the men were trying to reach Haiti's border.
Richardson's revelations contradict the accusations of opposition leaders who claim the government staged the attack as a pretext to crack down on dissent. In the days following the attempted coup, government supporters have set fire to Convergence party offices and houses belonging to Convergence party leaders. But the self-confessed attempted putschist also said he did not think any member of the opposition coalition, the Democratic Convergence, had participated in planning the failed coup.
Meanwhile, an unconfirmed report from a foreign resident in Port-au-Prince claims that President Aristide's home in the suburb of Tabarre, some distance away from the National Palace, was shot at during Sunday night's coup attempt. An email message contained the following section, "Very early in the morning (around 2:00 am) on December 17, 2001 armed gunmen, who were not dressed as troops, shot at the home of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Although the gunmen did not try to invade the home of the President, they did open fire while he was home with his wife, Mildred, and family. The President and his family were scared, (but) unharmed (and) then taken to safety by the Haitian police. ..........."
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And after the world sends millions to help it'll still be a shit hole. A giant black hole. Too bad too. It could be a nice place to winter at. Oh well here is my $10 text donation.CameronPoe wrote:
In case you folks weren't aware Haiti was 149th in the world on the HDI, has the 20th highest HIV/AIDS rate, was 158th for GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) and was 110th on the Quality of Life index. In short, Haiti was already fucked beyond repair.
ghettoperson wrote:
What the actual fuck.
Generally speaking, the most pragmatic thing to do in a situation like this is to establish order before distributing aid. Otherwise, your efforts of distribution are futile.ruisleipa wrote:
some very powerful images here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 … later.html
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/s … 730303.jpg
A man pulls the body of an earthquake victim from a coffin in order to steal the coffin at the cemetery in Port-au-Prince, Friday, Jan. 15, 2010. (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)
Although the US might have good intentions, it's not helping that they have blockaded the airport and are preventing aid flights from landing, ostensibly in order to fly in more troops, occupy Haiti and protect property. Oh, and until they get out all the US citizens of course, cos they're the most important ones naturally.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/0 … 635499.php
"French, Brazilian and other officials had earlier complained about the U.S.-run airport's refusal to allow their supply planes to land. A World Food Program official told The New York Times that the Americans' priorities were out of sync, allowing too many U.S. military flights and too few aid deliveries.
The U.S. has completely taken over Port-au-Prince airspace and incoming flights have to register with Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, said Chief Master Sgt. Ty Foster, Air Force spokesman here."
It's not like the US is the only country giving aid, but they're the only one blocking it. Thoughts on that, my American friends?
that has to be one of the most disturbing photos i've seen in quite some time...
yeah same problem occurred when Katrina hit NO a lot of looting somebody had to steal all those Jewels from those JewelriesJohnG@lt wrote:
Let's just hope they don't get access to boats. They could turn into the next Somalia
What other country has the capability in the region to handle that level of aerial port operations? There's only one, and that's the one that's doing it. You give the job to the one who has the preponderance of forces and the means to command and control them. Nobody else involved has either. It's a simple thing, not an invasion thing. There's nothing in Haiti worth invading over, no national interests are threatened.Turquoise wrote:
Generally speaking, the most pragmatic thing to do in a situation like this is to establish order before distributing aid. Otherwise, your efforts of distribution are futile.ruisleipa wrote:
some very powerful images here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 … later.html
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/s … 730303.jpg
A man pulls the body of an earthquake victim from a coffin in order to steal the coffin at the cemetery in Port-au-Prince, Friday, Jan. 15, 2010. (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)
Although the US might have good intentions, it's not helping that they have blockaded the airport and are preventing aid flights from landing, ostensibly in order to fly in more troops, occupy Haiti and protect property. Oh, and until they get out all the US citizens of course, cos they're the most important ones naturally.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/0 … 635499.php
"French, Brazilian and other officials had earlier complained about the U.S.-run airport's refusal to allow their supply planes to land. A World Food Program official told The New York Times that the Americans' priorities were out of sync, allowing too many U.S. military flights and too few aid deliveries.
The U.S. has completely taken over Port-au-Prince airspace and incoming flights have to register with Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, said Chief Master Sgt. Ty Foster, Air Force spokesman here."
It's not like the US is the only country giving aid, but they're the only one blocking it. Thoughts on that, my American friends?
In short, this requires military involvement to be worth the effort.
Last edited by FEOS (2010-01-19 03:03:31)
Man, how about thinking that the US is NOT doing anything amazing or extraordinary - it is doing what it SHOULD do by morality, humanity or whatever. The US is fuckin closest and has been involved in Haiti for many years. Of course they SHOULD help, and if they DO then help they're just fulfilling their obligations. Whoopiefuckindo.catboc wrote:
I wonder what Haiti would be like if the US decided not to be the most helpful generous country on earth?
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