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Oxford, Cambridge and other British universities said Tuesday that the government's plan to cut hundreds of millions of pounds (dollars) from their funding would put their world-class reputations in jeopardy.

Unlike most elite institutions in the United States, Britain's top schools rely almost exclusively on taxpayers keeping them going.

But strapped for cash, the government has slashed its higher education budget by 600 million pounds (nearly $1 billion) over the next three years -- a figure British media say comes to a 12 percent reduction when combined with other cuts.

British universities have little chance of raising big funds on their own: Student fees by law are capped at about 4,000 pounds a year, and endowments generally are no more than modest.

The Russell Group, representing 20 leading research universities, said the cuts would have ''a devastating effect, not only on students and staff, but also on Britain's international competitiveness, economy and ability to recover from recession.''

''It has taken more than 800 years to create one of the world's greatest education systems, and it looks like it will take just six months to bring it to its knees,'' according to an editorial by the group's Chairman Michael Arthur and Director Wendy Piatt, published in The Guardian newspaper.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01 … ities.html
So since they can't raise prices and the government is reducing their budget do you think they're fucked?
S.Lythberg
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Illinois universities are broke too, it's a global problem
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6702|'Murka

Sounds like they need to change the law and make those lazy bastards pay for more of their own education.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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=NHB=Shadow
hi
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I think we should just cut down financial aid, only the people able to afford college should be able to go.
LOL. sux 4 80% of college students.
AussieReaper
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=NHB=Shadow wrote:

I think we should just cut down financial aid, only the people able to afford college should be able to go.
No.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6696|North Carolina
Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-01-12 20:15:13)

Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5649|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.
You've got FDR spinning in his grave. What kind of liberal are you?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6738|Chicago, IL

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.
You've got FDR spinning in his grave. What kind of liberal are you?
heh, everyone on both sides knows social security is doomed.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6696|North Carolina

S.Lythberg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.
You've got FDR spinning in his grave. What kind of liberal are you?
heh, everyone on both sides knows social security is doomed.
Pretty much...  I guess I just see it as limiting the government's liabilities.  The system should be capable enough to keep you reasonably healthy and educated, but when it comes to personal savings...  you're on your own (or should be).
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5649|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


You've got FDR spinning in his grave. What kind of liberal are you?
heh, everyone on both sides knows social security is doomed.
Pretty much...  I guess I just see it as limiting the government's liabilities.  The system should be capable enough to keep you reasonably healthy and educated, but when it comes to personal savings...  you're on your own (or should be).
But it's so hard! I really need a brand new car and a four wheeler and a new flat screen tv and I just HAVE to have a bigger house than my brother... How can I possibly save any money? I've already got $20k in credit card debt.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6702|'Murka

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


heh, everyone on both sides knows social security is doomed.
Pretty much...  I guess I just see it as limiting the government's liabilities.  The system should be capable enough to keep you reasonably healthy and educated, but when it comes to personal savings...  you're on your own (or should be).
But it's so hard! I really need a brand new car and a four wheeler and a new flat screen tv and I just HAVE to have a bigger house than my brother... How can I possibly save any money? I've already got $20k in credit card debt.
whar's mah baylowt?

www.moronswithsigns.com
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
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JohnG@lt wrote:

But it's so hard! I really need a brand new car and a four wheeler and a new flat screen tv and I just HAVE to have a bigger house than my brother... How can I possibly save any money? I've already got $20k in credit card debt.
lol...  yeah...  This is what materialism and instant gratification earns a culture...  The sense of entitlement should be limited to things that actually enrich society, like education and healthcare.   "Stuff" is just eye candy so to speak.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5649|London, England

FEOS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Pretty much...  I guess I just see it as limiting the government's liabilities.  The system should be capable enough to keep you reasonably healthy and educated, but when it comes to personal savings...  you're on your own (or should be).
But it's so hard! I really need a brand new car and a four wheeler and a new flat screen tv and I just HAVE to have a bigger house than my brother... How can I possibly save any money? I've already got $20k in credit card debt.
whar's mah baylowt?

www.moronswithsigns.com
I bet you hear that a lot
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6702|'Murka

JohnG@lt wrote:

FEOS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


But it's so hard! I really need a brand new car and a four wheeler and a new flat screen tv and I just HAVE to have a bigger house than my brother... How can I possibly save any money? I've already got $20k in credit card debt.
whar's mah baylowt?

www.moronswithsigns.com
I bet you hear that a lot
I just laugh at the people who thought that they wouldn't have to pay their mortgage when Obama got elected and other such nonsense.

Then I took a look at the link in Turq's sig and saw how ridiculously one-sided it was and I just sighed and gently facepalmed.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5649|London, England

FEOS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

FEOS wrote:


whar's mah baylowt?

www.moronswithsigns.com
I bet you hear that a lot
I just laugh at the people who thought that they wouldn't have to pay their mortgage when Obama got elected and other such nonsense.

Then I took a look at the link in Turq's sig and saw how ridiculously one-sided it was and I just sighed and gently facepalmed.
Right, but they don't have to pay their mortgages now. Fannie Mae is gobbling up sub-prime mortgages at a ridiculous rate and offering to lower peoples mortgage rates for them (with the government eating the difference between the new cost of the home and the old). Billions and billions of dollars has been eaten up.

The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.

The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

Unlimited access to bailout funds through 2012 was "necessary for preserving the continued strength and stability of the mortgage market," the Treasury said. Fannie and Freddie purchase or guarantee most U.S. home mortgages and have run up huge losses stemming from the worst wave of defaults since the 1930s.

"The timing of this executive order giving Fannie and Freddie a blank check is no coincidence," said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. He said the Christmas Eve announcement was designed "to prevent the general public from taking note."

Treasury officials couldn't be reached for comment Friday.

So far, Treasury has provided $60 billion of capital to Fannie and $51 billion to Freddie. Mahesh Swaminathan, a senior mortgage analyst at Credit Suisse in New York, said he didn't believe Fannie and Freddie would need more than $200 billion apiece from the Treasury. But he and other analysts have said the market would find a larger commitment from the Treasury reassuring.

In exchange for the funding, the Treasury has received preferred stock in the companies paying 10% dividends. The Treasury also has warrants to acquire nearly 80% of the common shares in each firm.

The Treasury removed the cap on the size of available bailout funds by amending agreements it reached with the companies in September 2008, when the government seized control of the agencies under a legal process called conservatorship. The agreement allowed the Treasury to make amendments through the end of the year, without the consent of Congress. Changes made after Dec. 31 would likely involve a struggle with lawmakers over the terms.

Some Republicans are angry the administration is expanding the potential size of the bailout without having a plan for eventually ending the federal government's role in the companies.

The Treasury reiterated administration plans for a "preliminary report" on the government's future role in the mortgage market around the time the federal budget proposal is released in February.

The companies on Thursday disclosed new packages that will pay Fannie Chief Executive Officer Michael Williams and Freddie CEO Charles Haldeman Jr. as much as $6 million a year, including bonuses. The packages were approved by the Treasury and the Federal Housing Finance Agency, or FHFA, which regulates the companies.

The FHFA said compensation for executive officers of the companies in 2009, on average, is down 40% from the pay levels before the conservatorship.

Under the conservatorship, top officers of Fannie and Freddie take their cues from the Treasury and regulators on all major decisions, current and former executives say. The government has made foreclosure-prevention efforts its top priority.

The pay packages for top officers are entirely in cash; company shares have been trading on the New York Stock Exchange at less than $2 apiece, and it isn't clear when the companies will to profitability or whether common shares will have any value in the long term.

For the CEOs, annual compensation consists of a base salary of $900,000, deferred base salary of $3.1 million and incentive pay of as much as $2 million.

When Mr. Haldeman was hired by Freddie in July, the company set his base pay at $900,000 and said his additional "incentive" pay would depend on a decision by the regulator.

At Fannie, Mr. Williams was chief operating officer until he was promoted in April to CEO. As COO, his base salary was $676,000. He also had annual deferred pay of $2.3 million and a long-term incentive award of as much as $1.5 million.

Under the new packages, Fannie will pay as much as about $3.6 million annually to David M. Johnson, chief financial officer; $2.4 million to Kenneth Bacon, who heads a unit that finances apartment buildings; $2.8 million to David Benson, capital markets chief; $2.2 million to David Hisey, deputy chief financial officer; $3 million to Timothy Mayopoulos, general counsel; and $2.8 million to Kenneth Phelan, chief risk officer.

At Freddie, annual compensation will total as much as $4.5 million for Bruce Witherell, chief operating officer; $3.5 million for Ross Kari, chief financial officer; $2.8 million for Robert Bostrom, general counsel; and $2.7 million for Paul George, head of human resources.

The pay deals also drew fire. With unemployment near 10%, "to be handing out $6 million bonuses to essentially federal employees is unconscionable," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who is a frequent critic of Fannie and Freddie.

He also criticized the administration for approving the compensation without settling on a plan to remove taxpayer supports: "To be doing that with no plan in place is just unconscionable."

The FHFA said that Fannie and Freddie "must attract and retain the talent needed" for their vital role in the mortgage market.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126168307200704747.html
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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CSU's and UC's here in california are broke too.  Although terminator is adding funds in the budget this year. not nearly as much as was cut last year

Last edited by eleven bravo (2010-01-12 20:42:27)

Tu Stultus Es
FEOS
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I don't mean paying lower rates...people no shit said "I don't have to pay my mortgage now" the night he was elected.

They certainly weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Hence the irony.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Jay
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FEOS wrote:

I don't mean paying lower rates...people no shit said "I don't have to pay my mortgage now" the night he was elected.

They certainly weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Hence the irony.
Ahh. The bank should burn those peoples homes to the ground and turn them into parkland as soon as they move all their stuff out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
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FEOS wrote:

Then I took a look at the link in Turq's sig and saw how ridiculously one-sided it was and I just sighed and gently facepalmed.
If you can find an equivalent site that is more balanced, I'll gladly link it in my sig.  I just thought these people were hilarious.
Jay
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+2,006|5649|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Then I took a look at the link in Turq's sig and saw how ridiculously one-sided it was and I just sighed and gently facepalmed.
If you can find an equivalent site that is more balanced, I'll gladly link it in my sig.  I just thought these people were hilarious.
Well, it's kind of hard because the leftist protesters are more experienced and don't use homemade signs

https://images.politico.com/global/special03302009/090330_protest_cummings_350.jpg
https://labornotes.org/files/images/SEIU%201000%20protest2-270.jpg

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-01-12 20:51:37)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ruisleipa
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Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.
send 'em off on an ice floe when they hit 70 tbh.
=NHB=Shadow
hi
+322|6657|California

AussieReaper wrote:

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

I think we should just cut down financial aid, only the people able to afford college should be able to go.
No.
yes,/';.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6615|New Haven, CT

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

I think we should just cut down financial aid, only the people able to afford college should be able to go.
No.
yes,/';.
I'm fairly impressed you turned from a league gamer to a wannabe bro.

And no.
=NHB=Shadow
hi
+322|6657|California

nukchebi0 wrote:

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


No.
yes,/';.
I'm fairly impressed you turned from a league gamer to a wannabe bro.

And no.
yes don't argue, you know it should happen, this is the future we are looking for!!!!!
and dont give me a bunch of malalalakari
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6942|USA

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of cutting back on education, the U.K. should cut back on pensions.

Of all the social safety nets out there, the one that never really makes sense in the long run is retirement.  Healthcare, education, and temporary help between jobs makes sense, but retirement is a personal responsibility.
I see, your retirement is YOUR responsibility, but your health care and your education is supposed to be MY responsibility? I loathe the day. As far as unemployment, that is insurance people who work pay for, they are owed that.

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