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From Miami to Maine, Savannah to Seattle, America is caught in an icy grip that one of the U.N.'s top global warming proponents says could mark the beginning of a mini ice age.

Oranges are freezing and millions of tropical fish are dying in Florida, and it could be just the beginning of a decades-long deep freeze, says Professor Mojib Latif, one of the world's leading climate modelers.

Latif thinks the cold snap Americans have been suffering through is only the beginning. He says we're in for 30 years of cooler temperatures -- a mini ice age, he calls it, basing his theory on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the world's oceans.

Latif, a professor at the Leibniz Institute at Germany's Kiel University and an author of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, believes the lengthy cold weather is merely a pause -- a 30-years-long blip -- in the larger cycle of global warming, which postulates that temperatures will rise rapidly over the coming years.

At a U.N. conference in September, Latif said that changes in ocean currents known as the North Atlantic Oscillation could dominate over manmade global warming for the next few decades. Latif said the fluctuations in these currents could also be responsible for much of the rise in global temperatures seen over the past 30 years.

Latif is a key member of the UN's climate research arm, which has long promoted the concept of global warming. He told the Daily Mail that "a significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles -- perhaps as much as 50 percent."

The U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSICD) agrees that the cold temperatures are unusual, and that the world's oceans may play a part in temperatures on land.

"Has ocean variability contributed to variations in surface temperature? Absolutely, no one's denying that," said Mark Serreze, senior research scientist with NSIDC. But the Center disagrees with Latif's conclusions, instead arguing that the cold snap is still another sign of global warming.

"We are indeed starting to see the effects of the rise in greenhouse gases," he said.

Many parts of the world have been suffering through record-setting snowfalls and arctic temperatures. The Midwest saw wind chills as low as 49 degrees below zero last week, while Europe saw snows so heavy that Eurostar train service and air travel were canceled across much of the continent. In Asia, Beijing was hit by its heaviest snowfall in 60 years.

And as for the cold weather?

"This is just the roll of the dice, the natural variability inherent to the system," explained Serreze.
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Maybe its just a bad winter?
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North Atlantic Oscillation and the Greenland Block.
North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) is the fluctuation in pressure of the atmosphere over the Northern portion of the  Atlantic Ocean. This oscillation affects the steering winds of the atmosphere, affecting weather over the northern hemisphere. It was discovered in the early part of the 20th century, making it a relatively new weather term for many! When the NAO is in its positive phase the stormtrack doesn’t bring down the intensely cold air from the Arctic. Instead, it drops into Quebec and the Canadian maritimes. A large subtropical high is set up in the Atlantic which keeps the Southeastern United States warmer than normal.

When the NAO goes into negative phase (which is where it is currently), the subtropical ridge is considerably weaker and pushed a little further to the north (or not even in existence) the Greenland Block.
The main branch of the jet stream brings the cold, Arctic air down into the Central United States, then down to the Southeast. The only warm spots on the continent are the Canadian maritimes into Greenland.

The same thing happened last summer but, with the added problem of a upper level low pushing the jet stream south of the Great Lakes. North of the jet stream over the Great Lakes area was cold and wet, South of it was a normal summer.
This winter, the jet stream has been pushed down to the Gulf Coast where the stream splits, one part go's over to north Africa the other wraps around the east coast, over northern Canada and Greenland.

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Mini Ice age.


More like the winters I went through when I was a kid.  3 feet of snow.. Below Freezing Temps..
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Its really worthwhile to read up on global warming theory before you try criticising it.
Or you can just go ahead and make a complete ass of yourself, up to you.
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Record breaking high temps in Australia this year.
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Global warming is really a misleading term tbh ... GEW (global extreme weather) or just CC (climate change) would be more fitting imo ...
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Varegg wrote:

Global warming is really a misleading term tbh ... GEW (global extreme weather) or just CC (climate change) would be more fitting imo ...
Exactly.
Like I said, read up.

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It's considered "climate change" because as the science has improved we've learned understood that you'll see greater extremes in hot and cool climates.

This is not a good thing that all of Britain is snow. Or even normal.

You can't take one bad season of extreme weather and say climate change isn't real, this is another symptom of climate change.

As even mentioned in the OP article "Has ocean variability contributed to variations in surface temperature? Absolutely, no one's denying that," said Mark Serreze, senior research scientist with NSIDC. But the Center disagrees with Latif's conclusions, instead arguing that the cold snap is still another sign of global warming."
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Burwhale wrote:

Record breaking high temps in Australia this year.
Melbourne has been 32 before.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
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AussieReaper wrote:

It's considered "climate change" because as the science has improved we've learned understood that you'll see greater extremes in hot and cool climates.

This is not a good thing that all of Britain is snow. Or even normal.

You can't take one bad season of extreme weather and say climate change isn't real, this is another symptom of climate change.

As even mentioned in the OP article "Has ocean variability contributed to variations in surface temperature? Absolutely, no one's denying that," said Mark Serreze, senior research scientist with NSIDC. But the Center disagrees with Latif's conclusions, instead arguing that the cold snap is still another sign of global warming."
You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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JohnG@lt wrote:

You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
Its hard to explain stuff to someone who has very little real understanding of anything.
If you're an economics expert and don't know what a monopoly is for example.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
Its hard to explain stuff to someone who has very little real understanding of anything.
If you're an economics expert and don't know what a monopoly is for example.
Don't you have some night elf porn to fap to?
Blue elf - reading comprehension FTW....
Edit: Thx for the tip, google images ho...

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JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

It's considered "climate change" because as the science has improved we've learned understood that you'll see greater extremes in hot and cool climates.

This is not a good thing that all of Britain is snow. Or even normal.

You can't take one bad season of extreme weather and say climate change isn't real, this is another symptom of climate change.

As even mentioned in the OP article "Has ocean variability contributed to variations in surface temperature? Absolutely, no one's denying that," said Mark Serreze, senior research scientist with NSIDC. But the Center disagrees with Latif's conclusions, instead arguing that the cold snap is still another sign of global warming."
You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
This is really quite common knowledge Galt that GW will lead to a colder climate some places and that the kind of extreme weather we see now will intensify ... hurricanes, drought etc etc etc ...

Keep the discussion civil, that goes for the lot of you ...
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Varegg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

It's considered "climate change" because as the science has improved we've learned understood that you'll see greater extremes in hot and cool climates.

This is not a good thing that all of Britain is snow. Or even normal.

You can't take one bad season of extreme weather and say climate change isn't real, this is another symptom of climate change.

As even mentioned in the OP article "Has ocean variability contributed to variations in surface temperature? Absolutely, no one's denying that," said Mark Serreze, senior research scientist with NSIDC. But the Center disagrees with Latif's conclusions, instead arguing that the cold snap is still another sign of global warming."
You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
This is really quite common knowledge Galt that GW will lead to a colder climate some places and that the kind of extreme weather we see now will intensify ... hurricanes, drought etc etc etc ...

Keep the discussion civil, that goes for the lot of you ...
Please explain how something can get colder, but yet still be considered to be rising in temperature i.e. warming.

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
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Galt, the NAO mostly affects the temperatures of North America and Western Europe; in fact the NAO is the main reason why Western Europe (except southern Norway) has much higher temperatures than it should for its latitude (by about 15 degrees all in all). Thats why they tend to make references to NA and Europe mostly.

Also its simply the direction in which the winds are blowing its not exactly something that won't change every so often for a shortish period.

For the record global warming can cause a decreased temperature in Western Europe by creating an influx of cold water from the Arctic into the Atlantic that would neutralise or divert the Thermohaline circulatory system (movement of warmer, less salty water from where its warm up to the more northern regions where it cools and sinks before flowing back southwards). That it is predicted would cause the temperature of western europe to cool by about 4.5 degrees. It is also one of the main theories about what will happen to europe if the globe warms up.


What happened to you saying that there wasn't enough research and wasn't enough time to make a good judgement about climate change given we only had 150 years of direct (as in measured by humans at the time) temperature measurement. This guy is using 2 months of data.

P.s. We're already in an ice age.

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JohnG@lt wrote:

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
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AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
I read that, what's your point? He didn't say anything of substance and everyone in the comments is busy jerking him off like he did something amazing.
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Well, its looking like a very short ice age then, snow is almost completely gone here.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


You guys explain away this stuff almost as well as the Christians explain away stuff like evolution.
This is really quite common knowledge Galt that GW will lead to a colder climate some places and that the kind of extreme weather we see now will intensify ... hurricanes, drought etc etc etc ...

Keep the discussion civil, that goes for the lot of you ...
Please explain how something can get colder, but yet still be considered to be rising in temperature i.e. warming.

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
If you had followed the debate for some years you would have known this Galt ...

When the ocean currents slows, stops, turns or finds new routes that will make some areas colder and some hotter aka the term GW is imo limited to the temperature rise in the oceans and the air just above it ... a temperature rise that will speed up the melting of land based ice like greenland and the south pole.

If the ice on greenland melts to fast it will make a difference regarding the gulf stream that regulates the climate in Europe.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
I read that, what's your point? He didn't say anything of substance and everyone in the comments is busy jerking him off like he did something amazing.
Point is that you can't just base the fact it's currently Winter in the northern hemisphere to equal a mini ice age...

Record high temps in Australia at present. It isn't any cooler here.
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Varegg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:


This is really quite common knowledge Galt that GW will lead to a colder climate some places and that the kind of extreme weather we see now will intensify ... hurricanes, drought etc etc etc ...

Keep the discussion civil, that goes for the lot of you ...
Please explain how something can get colder, but yet still be considered to be rising in temperature i.e. warming.

Notice the title says "Global Cooling", not "localized to NA and Europe cooling".
If you had followed the debate for some years you would have known this Galt ...

When the ocean currents slows, stops, turns or finds new routes that will make some areas colder and some hotter aka the term GW is imo limited to the temperature rise in the oceans and the air just above it ... a temperature rise that will speed up the melting of land based ice like greenland and the south pole.

If the ice on greenland melts to fast it will make a difference regarding the gulf stream that regulates the climate in Europe.
That explains Europe, but what about us? It's been awfully cold here to say the least. I'd almost welcome some global warming.

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