Personally, I think it's morally more wrong to kill a wild deer. You've just killed Bambi's mom and dad, leaving Bambi to fend for himself.ruisleipa wrote:
Well imo it's surely not as bad. Like most moral questions this one also admits of varying degrees of rightness and wrongness wouldn't you say?FEOS wrote:
So if they're raised humanely and killed humanely, it's OK to eat them?
That's why I don't think say hunting a deer that has lived all its life in the wild is as bad as eating a factory famred cow. It's also not as bad for you healthwise, which is another good reason not to eat processed shitty meat like you get in burgers and crap.
Yeah, the cow was breed to die in a cut off farm, where as the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.Ilocano wrote:
Personally, I think it's morally more wrong to kill a wild deer. You've just killed Bambi's mom and dad, leaving Bambi to fend for himself.ruisleipa wrote:
Well imo it's surely not as bad. Like most moral questions this one also admits of varying degrees of rightness and wrongness wouldn't you say?FEOS wrote:
So if they're raised humanely and killed humanely, it's OK to eat them?
That's why I don't think say hunting a deer that has lived all its life in the wild is as bad as eating a factory famred cow. It's also not as bad for you healthwise, which is another good reason not to eat processed shitty meat like you get in burgers and crap.
Wow, you forgot to add 'It is God's will' to the end of that.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
Yeah, the cow was breed to die in a cut off farm, where as the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.Ilocano wrote:
Personally, I think it's morally more wrong to kill a wild deer. You've just killed Bambi's mom and dad, leaving Bambi to fend for himself.ruisleipa wrote:
Well imo it's surely not as bad. Like most moral questions this one also admits of varying degrees of rightness and wrongness wouldn't you say?
That's why I don't think say hunting a deer that has lived all its life in the wild is as bad as eating a factory famred cow. It's also not as bad for you healthwise, which is another good reason not to eat processed shitty meat like you get in burgers and crap.
And think about this, cows are slow, dumb and fat. In the wild they would never survive, by domesticating them and breeding them for food, we ensure the survival of the species. Other species which are not farmed risk extinction, so by farming an animal we are preserving the species.
Animals have to individuality, they exist only to continue their species, and as such by farming them, we are helping them fulfill their purpose.
Take it easy, Francis.ruisleipa wrote:
OK well let me take that to its logical conclusion. A mentally retarded human individual who has no concept of self and so on by your argument wouldn't be having anything done wrong to them if they were held in a cage etc etc. Yeah? In fact to take them OUT of a cage would be doing them wrong because they'd be 'confused'?
btw just so I can discuss this knowing why I'm doing so - are you guys arguing that vegetarianism is somehow unethical or that there is no ethical basis for it or what? cos I'm pretty confused by your weird arguments at the mo I admit.
well this is going nowhere fast so yeah, let's just agree to disagree. I'm still confused at what most of what's been said has to do with me choosing to be vege, or why anyone would bother arguing against itFEOS wrote:
Take it easy, Francis.ruisleipa wrote:
OK well let me take that to its logical conclusion. A mentally retarded human individual who has no concept of self and so on by your argument wouldn't be having anything done wrong to them if they were held in a cage etc etc. Yeah? In fact to take them OUT of a cage would be doing them wrong because they'd be 'confused'?
btw just so I can discuss this knowing why I'm doing so - are you guys arguing that vegetarianism is somehow unethical or that there is no ethical basis for it or what? cos I'm pretty confused by your weird arguments at the mo I admit.
I'm not even remotely making that argument (particularly since my son is mentally and physically handicapped).
There are just clear logical faults in your argument. Those have been pointed out, as evidenced by your confusion when people use your logic.
We can move on now, I suppose.
www.peta.orgruisleipa wrote:
well this is going nowhere fast so yeah, let's just agree to disagree. I'm still confused at what most of what's been said has to do with me choosing to be vege, or why anyone would bother arguing against itFEOS wrote:
Take it easy, Francis.ruisleipa wrote:
OK well let me take that to its logical conclusion. A mentally retarded human individual who has no concept of self and so on by your argument wouldn't be having anything done wrong to them if they were held in a cage etc etc. Yeah? In fact to take them OUT of a cage would be doing them wrong because they'd be 'confused'?
btw just so I can discuss this knowing why I'm doing so - are you guys arguing that vegetarianism is somehow unethical or that there is no ethical basis for it or what? cos I'm pretty confused by your weird arguments at the mo I admit.
I'm not even remotely making that argument (particularly since my son is mentally and physically handicapped).
There are just clear logical faults in your argument. Those have been pointed out, as evidenced by your confusion when people use your logic.
We can move on now, I suppose.
ok. so?JohnG@lt wrote:
www.peta.org
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well this is going nowhere fast so yeah, let's just agree to disagree.
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wrongDoctor Strangelove wrote:
the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.
Deer overpopulation is a real problem in areas of Western NY (and the northeastern US in general). Hunting the deer is actually *better* then dealing with them drowning in swimming pools, getting slaughtered by traffic, etc... Where I grew up, deer have even jumped through windows into buildings. Amherst, NY has a lot of those problems.krazed wrote:
wrongDoctor Strangelove wrote:
the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.
If you don't manage deer populations you will end up hitting them with your cars. And deer meat is tasty.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
Yeah, the cow was breed to die in a cut off farm, where as the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.Ilocano wrote:
Personally, I think it's morally more wrong to kill a wild deer. You've just killed Bambi's mom and dad, leaving Bambi to fend for himself.ruisleipa wrote:
Well imo it's surely not as bad. Like most moral questions this one also admits of varying degrees of rightness and wrongness wouldn't you say?
That's why I don't think say hunting a deer that has lived all its life in the wild is as bad as eating a factory famred cow. It's also not as bad for you healthwise, which is another good reason not to eat processed shitty meat like you get in burgers and crap.
And think about this, cows are slow, dumb and fat. In the wild they would never survive, by domesticating them and breeding them for food, we ensure the survival of the species. Other species which are not farmed risk extinction, so by farming an animal we are preserving the species.
Animals have to individuality, they exist only to continue their species, and as such by farming them, we are helping them fulfill their purpose.
Coupled with the fact that there is far more food for them when humans are around and it's led to their population being much much higher than it would be if we weren't around. They have our trash and crops to feast on.SenorToenails wrote:
Deer overpopulation is a real problem in areas of Western NY (and the northeastern US in general). Hunting the deer is actually *better* then dealing with them drowning in swimming pools, getting slaughtered by traffic, etc... Where I grew up, deer have even jumped through windows into buildings. Amherst, NY has a lot of those problems.krazed wrote:
wrongDoctor Strangelove wrote:
the deer was part of a larger ecosystem, one that is disrupted by the deer's removal.
More to the point, the ecosystem is overloaded with deer due to humans pushing the predators out with urban/suburban development.
No. The human is now the predator.Ilocano wrote:
Yeah, but who's fault is it. Lack of sufficient predators, reduction of habitat, and encroachment of humans.
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In Aus koala's are overpopulating and starving themselves to death later on... Not that many eucalyptus trees around...JohnG@lt wrote:
Coupled with the fact that there is far more food for them when humans are around and it's led to their population being much much higher than it would be if we weren't around. They have our trash and crops to feast on.SenorToenails wrote:
Deer overpopulation is a real problem in areas of Western NY (and the northeastern US in general). Hunting the deer is actually *better* then dealing with them drowning in swimming pools, getting slaughtered by traffic, etc... Where I grew up, deer have even jumped through windows into buildings. Amherst, NY has a lot of those problems.krazed wrote:
wrong
More to the point, the ecosystem is overloaded with deer due to humans pushing the predators out with urban/suburban development.
why don't they do a cull?Cybargs wrote:
In Aus koala's are overpopulating and starving themselves to death later on... Not that many eucalyptus trees around...JohnG@lt wrote:
Coupled with the fact that there is far more food for them when humans are around and it's led to their population being much much higher than it would be if we weren't around. They have our trash and crops to feast on.SenorToenails wrote:
Deer overpopulation is a real problem in areas of Western NY (and the northeastern US in general). Hunting the deer is actually *better* then dealing with them drowning in swimming pools, getting slaughtered by traffic, etc... Where I grew up, deer have even jumped through windows into buildings. Amherst, NY has a lot of those problems.
More to the point, the ecosystem is overloaded with deer due to humans pushing the predators out with urban/suburban development.
They actually do sometimes. But retarded environmentalists always scream how cute they are and how they are an endangered species.krazed wrote:
why don't they do a cull?Cybargs wrote:
In Aus koala's are overpopulating and starving themselves to death later on... Not that many eucalyptus trees around...JohnG@lt wrote:
Coupled with the fact that there is far more food for them when humans are around and it's led to their population being much much higher than it would be if we weren't around. They have our trash and crops to feast on.