Well then there ya go, there is the difference of opinion. Islam is, based on its teachings, laws and actions committed in its name, intolerant and views certain others as less than them. Women, gays, infidels etc. Nothing proves otherwise, not even your wishing it so.Uzique wrote:
lowing, for fuck's sake, you dense cunt
i am not "full of shit" because i dont think islam points towards intolerance and inequality. that's your, YOUR, bias inference and assumption.
i have a generic disdain for religion but that's as far as the discriminative criticism goes. personally i'd sooner see all religions banned than any specific one. but i dont want my state or the public policies of my nation to dictate such a thing, because it invades the private liberties that every individual is entitled to. there's something scarily dangerous about the prospects of a person such as yourself with such a muddled sense of political philosophy (classically speaking) getting into power. the neocons are basically a contemporary-historical example. frightening shit.
your reading of the qur'an doesnt make it so either, you arrogant self-sure dumbie
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Don't need to read it, plenty of people have already, including those that are intolerant, and feel superior to women gays and infidels, Islamic Imams that preach it, and those that celebrate Islamic terrorism. Also the laws of Islam which are in practice. But yeah, other than that, you are correct.Uzique wrote:
your reading of the qur'an doesnt make it so either, you arrogant self-sure dumbie
yeah and the branch davidians read the bible in a pretty uniquely horrid way, too.
doesnt mean a crack unit of christian troops are gonna sail into san fran harbour and creative widespread destruction
doesnt mean a crack unit of christian troops are gonna sail into san fran harbour and creative widespread destruction
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Nope, funny you needed to go back almost 20 years to find an example, all I need is 15 minutes, and yet, you see no difference.Uzique wrote:
yeah and the branch davidians read the bible in a pretty uniquely horrid way, too.
doesnt mean a crack unit of christian troops are gonna sail into san fran harbour and creative widespread destruction
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ooh like history or chronology has ANYTHING to do with religious debate...
how can you be THIS stupid?
both religions stretch back 2000 years, anything in the last century is pretty relevant to contemporary moral/spiritual/social attitudes
christian extremism is just as alive and well as islamic extremism, polygamist sects are still being raided in the bible belt for crimes against decent humanity.
how can you be THIS stupid?
both religions stretch back 2000 years, anything in the last century is pretty relevant to contemporary moral/spiritual/social attitudes
christian extremism is just as alive and well as islamic extremism, polygamist sects are still being raided in the bible belt for crimes against decent humanity.
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Yeah actually, the frequency of such occurrences seems rather relevant, as well as the severity of them. Multiple wives compared to blowing up a school seems pretty irrelevant in comparison. Sorry you don't think soUzique wrote:
ooh like history or chronology has ANYTHING to do with religious debate...
how can you be THIS stupid?
both religions stretch back 2000 years, anything in the last century is pretty relevant to contemporary moral/spiritual/social attitudes
christian extremism is just as alive and well as islamic extremism, polygamist sects are still being raided in the bible belt for crimes against decent humanity.
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they're all moral ills perpetrated in the name of religion. the principle in violation is the main issue, not the specifics. as i said i dont 'rank' the 'wrongness' of the major world religions: they can all get fucked. egregious, arcane, stone-age hillbilly shit. but i dont think christians are docile, lovely people and muslims are an evil "them" collective out to hurt me. all religions are equally harmful for the social and moral ills they perpetuate. anti-muslim sensationalism and fear mongering is just a product of post-9/11 american bullshit. the sooner the obama administration cleans it up, the sooner you guys will get back to true democracy-- one where every citizen has their classical liberal rights.
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I do not think Christians are docile either, but they are not following Christ by engaging in violence. therefore, regardless as to what they call themselves, they are not Christians.Uzique wrote:
they're all moral ills perpetrated in the name of religion. the principle in violation is the main issue, not the specifics. as i said i dont 'rank' the 'wrongness' of the major world religions: they can all get fucked. egregious, arcane, stone-age hillbilly shit. but i dont think christians are docile, lovely people and muslims are an evil "them" collective out to hurt me. all religions are equally harmful for the social and moral ills they perpetuate. anti-muslim sensationalism and fear mongering is just a product of post-9/11 american bullshit. the sooner the obama administration cleans it up, the sooner you guys will get back to true democracy-- one where every citizen has their classical liberal rights.
I do however think the words, teachings and actions of Christ, are different than the words actions and teachings of Muhammad.
Christians engaging in violence is not following the teachings of Christ. Muslims engaged in violence are following the teachings of Muhammad. Plain and simple. regardless as to what those that do not follow the teachings of Muhammad call themselves, they are not practicing Islam.
Which brings us full circle as to how and why I differentiate between Muslims and Islam, Christians and Christianity. No denying it.
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Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Fuck Israel
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
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Muhammed also taught peace, love and acceptance, so it is a contradiction. Religion is full of contradiction, the problem is when people pick and choose religious idea etc in order to justify their own prejudice or insanity.lowing wrote:
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
Muhammad taught that peace can be achieved when all are succumbed to Islam, and Chirst NEVER taught violenceLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Muhammed also taught peace, love and acceptance, so it is a contradiction. Religion is full of contradiction, the problem is when people pick and choose religious idea etc in order to justify their own prejudice or insanity.lowing wrote:
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
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Not exclusively.lowing wrote:
Muhammad taught that peace can be achieved when all are succumbed to Islam, and Chirst NEVER taught violenceLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Muhammed also taught peace, love and acceptance, so it is a contradiction. Religion is full of contradiction, the problem is when people pick and choose religious idea etc in order to justify their own prejudice or insanity.lowing wrote:
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
lol, not exclusively, well now, there is an argument for ya.Spark wrote:
Not exclusively.lowing wrote:
Muhammad taught that peace can be achieved when all are succumbed to Islam, and Chirst NEVER taught violenceLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Muhammed also taught peace, love and acceptance, so it is a contradiction. Religion is full of contradiction, the problem is when people pick and choose religious idea etc in order to justify their own prejudice or insanity.
"Holy war is something that Muhammad commanded in the Qur’an and Hadith. In Sura 9:29, he establishes the principle that unbelievers should be fought until they either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic subjugation. This is confirmed in the Hadith by both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari."
Taken from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … -Islam.htm
Pretty good reading actually.
Have I missed out on another riveting religion bashing thread? Darn.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Oh, and is that the only verse in the whole Koran? There are sections which do teach peace and tolerance as well, y'know.lowing wrote:
lol, not exclusively, well now, there is an argument for ya.Spark wrote:
Not exclusively.lowing wrote:
Muhammad taught that peace can be achieved when all are succumbed to Islam, and Chirst NEVER taught violence
"Holy war is something that Muhammad commanded in the Qur’an and Hadith. In Sura 9:29, he establishes the principle that unbelievers should be fought until they either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic subjugation. This is confirmed in the Hadith by both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari."
Taken from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … -Islam.htm
Pretty good reading actually.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
So really all those Christians carrying out all those killings should be excommunicated from their churches?lowing wrote:
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
All you're proving is Christians are in general duplicitous and blasphemous.
Fuck Israel
oh this is still going, cool.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Which are far out weighed by the convert or kill versesSpark wrote:
Oh, and is that the only verse in the whole Koran? There are sections which do teach peace and tolerance as well, y'know.lowing wrote:
lol, not exclusively, well now, there is an argument for ya.Spark wrote:
Not exclusively.
"Holy war is something that Muhammad commanded in the Qur’an and Hadith. In Sura 9:29, he establishes the principle that unbelievers should be fought until they either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic subjugation. This is confirmed in the Hadith by both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari."
Taken from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … -Islam.htm
Pretty good reading actually.
It is covered in the link
Don't give a shit if they are excommunicated or not. That is not my point, my point is, they are not following the teachings of Christ.Dilbert_X wrote:
So really all those Christians carrying out all those killings should be excommunicated from their churches?lowing wrote:
Try reading what I posted then get back with me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange then that Christians have killed so many in the last 100 years and moslems so few.
Your 'understanding' of the Koran is clearly perverted.
Killing in the name of Christ is a contradiction, Christ never taught violence.
Killing in the name of Islam is not a contradiction, Muhammad taught it, and practiced it.
Also killing as a "Christian", is not the same as killing in the name of it.
All you're proving is Christians are in general duplicitous and blasphemous.
Islamic terrorists are following the teachings of Muhammad. Again, no denying that.
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thereligionofpeace.com
sounds like a nicely balenced place from which to collect a second hand view of a global religion
sounds like a nicely balenced place from which to collect a second hand view of a global religion
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Discredit the information, not the source. IF it is wrong point it out. If not, suck it up and admit what Islam is.FatherTed wrote:
thereligionofpeace.com
sounds like a nicely balenced place from which to collect a second hand view of a global religion
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You also missed two pages of arguing about posting histories and the "criteria" of having an opinion. Yeah, we get around, 'round here.JohnG@lt wrote:
Have I missed out on another riveting religion bashing thread? Darn.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Insults, Spark, don't forget all of the insults. Remember those? sure ya do.Spark wrote:
You also missed two pages of arguing about posting histories and the "criteria" of having an opinion. Yeah, we get around, 'round here.JohnG@lt wrote:
Have I missed out on another riveting religion bashing thread? Darn.