Hacked.

2009-12-18 11:07:45

#51

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

mikkel wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
mikkel wrote:

I think you're greatly misunderstanding encryption if you think that all publicly available encryption schemes are trivially defeated simply by virtue of being public. This is absolutely not the case.
I am undervaluing them, yes, and so does the military.
No cryptologist, military or civilian, would "undervalue" them in the manner that you seem to do.

How do you propose they do key changes when the UAV's are being remotely flown out of Florida and the people on the ground are in remote parts of Afghanistan?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2009-12-18 11:17:22

#52

mikkel: Member; +383|6888

JohnG@lt wrote:
mikkel wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

I am undervaluing them, yes, and so does the military.
No cryptologist, military or civilian, would "undervalue" them in the manner that you seem to do.
How do you propose they do key changes when the UAV's are being remotely flown out of Florida and the people on the ground are in remote parts of Afghanistan?

What makes you discount the use of pre-shared keys?

2009-12-18 11:47:37

#53

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6668|the land of bourbon

thank you mikkel. for a minute there i was wondering if anyone understood what i was saying. johng@lt, i notice the hate for off the shelf encryption, but i think you misunderstand these implementations. all hashing algorithms can be reverse engineered via brute-force attacks, even proprietary ones, but there is a time period that must be accounted for. there simply isn't enough time for the insurgents to break this algorithm fast enough to prove useful. this eliminates a need to change a key mid-mission... some of the more advanced algorithms would literally take hundreds if not thousands of days to break. the keys could be changed once a month which would make them have to start the 'reverse engineering' process completely over again. i think this is an acceptable situation as most information from a predator video feed is needed in or near real-time, thus making any attempt to 'crack' the encryption a waste of time. NO encryption is just creating an unnecessary threat to the mission!

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2009-12-18 12:15:00

#54

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5644|London, England

steelie34 wrote:
thank you mikkel. for a minute there i was wondering if anyone understood what i was saying. johng@lt, i notice the hate for off the shelf encryption, but i think you misunderstand these implementations. all hashing algorithms can be reverse engineered via brute-force attacks, even proprietary ones, but there is a time period that must be accounted for. there simply isn't enough time for the insurgents to break this algorithm fast enough to prove useful. this eliminates a need to change a key mid-mission... some of the more advanced algorithms would literally take hundreds if not thousands of days to break. the keys could be changed once a month which would make them have to start the 'reverse engineering' process completely over again. i think this is an acceptable situation as most information from a predator video feed is needed in or near real-time, thus making any attempt to 'crack' the encryption a waste of time. NO encryption is just creating an unnecessary threat to the mission!

I'm not suggesting they should keep the feed unencrypted at all. I was just explaining the backwards way the military deals with stuff like this. A suggestion of OTAR rekeying was considered blasphemy.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2009-12-18 12:18:32

#55

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6887|132 and Bush

On the topic of hacked.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/17/tw … yber-army/
THIS SITE (Twitte) HAS BEEN HACKED BY IRANIAN CYBER ARMY
Get a load of them

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2009-12-18 12:20:58

#56

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6887|132 and Bush

DBBrinson1 wrote:
Tampa was nice. Now it's bloated and overpopulated. Takes 45min-2hours to go anywhere. I grew up (off/on) in the area. Over the last 30 years, every time I returned -I didn't recognize it.

Say what? I can get anywhere in the greater Tampa bay area usually in 20-30 mins. Maybe since you only visit occasionally you aren't familiar with the best way to get places?

JohnG@lt wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Oh. Damn. Are there still tons of thunderstorms though? I fucking love thunderstorms.
Every day at 4 pm.

Only 9 months out of the year tyvm ...

Hey thar Mr. Subtropical rainforest.

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Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-12-18 12:42:18

#57

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6668|the land of bourbon

lol i just got my daily SANS email and it has the drone thing as the top story. i like the editor's op/ed at the end.

TOP OF THE NEWS
--US Military Drone Surveillance Video Intercepted
(December 17, 2009)
With the help of hackers and USD 26 piece of software, Iraqi militants
have reportedly managed to intercept live video feeds from US Predator
drones. There is no evidence to indicate that the hackers or militants
gained control of the unmanned aircraft, but the attack does provide
them with information about where the US military is conducting
surveillance. The issue was discovered in late 2008 when US military
personnel found files of the intercepted surveillance on the laptop of
a Shiite militant who had been apprehended. The US is reportedly
working on encrypting its drone video feeds from Iran, Pakistan and
Afghanistan. The vulnerability being exploited is in an unencrypted
download link. The US military has known about the vulnerability for
more than a decade, but assumed its adversaries would not be able to
exploit it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1261022 … lenews_wsj
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/12 … ty-breach/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34465420/ns … -security/
Reuter's reports the problem was fixed after being discovered a year ago:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BG3RM20091217
In a separate story, the US military plans to purchase additional
unmanned aircraft to bolster the planned troop surge in Afghanistan.
http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20091 … f=topstory
[Editor's Note (Pescatore): There will join the Hall of Shame with many
similar bad decisions about not encrypting, or weakly encrypting in
mobile environments. Back in 2006, Visa, Mastercard and Amex issued
credit cards with RFID chips for "no swipe" use - and University of
Massachusetts researchers found they hadn't turned on the advertised
encryption. In 1999 it came out that in Windows CE Microsoft was
"encrypting" the user password by simply XORing it with the word PEGASUS
spelled backwards. As the talking Barbie doll said "Encryption is
*hard*..."]

2009-12-18 13:01:26

#58

BVC: Member; +325|6982

With the power you can get from using graphics cards for decoding (4x geforces 295s in SLI = mini super computer), I would say 3DES - and would even wager AES - is bollocks.

That said, a few days wait to decrypt a video signal won't be much help if you cycle keys regularly.

2009-12-18 13:10:42

#59

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6668|the land of bourbon

Pubic wrote:
With the power you can get from using graphics cards for decoding (4x geforces 295s in SLI = mini super computer), I would say 3DES - and would even wager AES - is bollocks.

That said, a few days wait to decrypt a video signal won't be much help if you cycle keys regularly.

that's crazy talk man. a 3des encryption would take a long time to brute force, even with the fastest system. personally, i prefer whirlpool over anything else, but it doesn't really matter. faster computers just mean the newest algorithms can be even more complex, so they all become old and unsecure after a while. but you're right on about regularly changing the key.

2009-12-20 04:00:32

#60

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5760|Ventura, California

So this hacking could benefit them in knowing general movement but how can it help them when they're in the thick of action? You would need an organized force in contact with the hacker via cellphone or radio. Both of which can be traced right?

Obama needs to cut the crap now and do something helpful and stop trying to please every retard.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2009-12-20 04:01:11

#61

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6786|so randum

you should probably stop posting.

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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2009-12-20 04:27:57

#62

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5760|Ventura, California

I could say the same.

The U.S. military needs to fix this as soon as possible. This has probably gotten men killed.

How complicated would it be to encrypt all this?

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2009-12-20 04:41:33

#63

seymorebutts443: Ready for combat; +211|6881|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I could say the same.

The U.S. military needs to fix this as soon as possible. This has probably gotten men killed.

How complicated would it be to encrypt all this?

it is encrypted you tard, and people are probably blowing this out of proportion. Follow teddys advice and stop posting, god at least lowing has the decency to actually know what hes talking about, unlike you.

2009-12-20 05:19:50

#64

mikkel: Member; +383|6888

seymorebutts443 wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
I could say the same.

The U.S. military needs to fix this as soon as possible. This has probably gotten men killed.

How complicated would it be to encrypt all this?
it is encrypted you tard, and people are probably blowing this out of proportion. Follow teddys advice and stop posting, god at least lowing has the decency to actually know what hes talking about, unlike you.

From the article mentioned at the start of this thread:

"The potential drone vulnerability lies in an unencrypted downlink between the unmanned craft and ground control. The U.S. government has known about the flaw since the U.S. campaign in Bosnia in the 1990s, current and former officials said. But the Pentagon assumed local adversaries wouldn't know how to exploit it, the officials said."

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2009-12-20 06:04:14

#65

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6786|so randum

seymorebutts443 wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
I could say the same.

The U.S. military needs to fix this as soon as possible. This has probably gotten men killed.

How complicated would it be to encrypt all this?
it is encrypted you tard, and people are probably blowing this out of proportion. Follow teddys advice and stop posting, god at least lowing has the decency to actually know what hes talking about, unlike you.

and also this is because of obama trying to please everyone lulz

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2009-12-20 12:20:18

#66

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5760|Ventura, California

FatherTed wrote:
seymorebutts443 wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
I could say the same.

The U.S. military needs to fix this as soon as possible. This has probably gotten men killed.

How complicated would it be to encrypt all this?
it is encrypted you tard, and people are probably blowing this out of proportion. Follow teddys advice and stop posting, god at least lowing has the decency to actually know what hes talking about, unlike you.
and also this is because of obama trying to please everyone lulz

Actually that was just an accidental slip of hate coming out.

Sexybutts it's not encrypted. You made yourself look like the tard.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2009-12-20 12:21:46

#67

SealXo: Member; +309|6822

good so they can see themself on tv one last time before the get blown the fuck up

2009-12-20 13:41:48

#68

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6392|eXtreme to the maX

Damn, how didn't we see it, it is Obama's fault this video link is unecrypted. This couldn't have happened under Bush.
At least under the Republicans there were no terrorist attacks on the US mainland, apart form 9/11 obviously.
Keeping us safe FTW.

Vote Democrat if you hate freedom.

Fuck Israel

2009-12-21 08:06:05

#69

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6938|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:
Damn, how didn't we see it, it is Obama's fault this video link is unecrypted. This couldn't have happened under Bush.
At least under the Republicans there were no terrorist attacks on the US mainland, apart form 9/11 obviously.
Keeping us safe FTW.

Vote Democrat if you hate freedom.

I am loving this shit.

8 years of "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT" is now modified to: WELL, IT COULDA HAPPENED UNDER BUSH.

I will agree with you on one thing. "Vote democrat if you hate freedom", is as true as it gets.

2009-12-21 09:29:52

#70

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5760|Ventura, California

Dilbert_X wrote:
Damn, how didn't we see it, it is Obama's fault this video link is unecrypted. This couldn't have happened under Bush.
At least under the Republicans there were no terrorist attacks on the US mainland, apart form 9/11 obviously.
Keeping us safe FTW.

Vote Democrat if you hate freedom.

I didn't say it was Obama's fault. I just said I hate the guy.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2009-12-21 09:35:32

#71

mikkel: Member; +383|6888

lowing wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Damn, how didn't we see it, it is Obama's fault this video link is unecrypted. This couldn't have happened under Bush.
At least under the Republicans there were no terrorist attacks on the US mainland, apart form 9/11 obviously.
Keeping us safe FTW.

Vote Democrat if you hate freedom.
I am loving this shit.

8 years of "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT" is now modified to: WELL, IT COULDA HAPPENED UNDER BUSH.

I will agree with you on one thing. "Vote democrat if you hate freedom", is as true as it gets.

It happened under Bush. It also happened under Clinton. Now it's happening under Obama. I honestly can't think of anyone of the people on this forum whom you define as being "liberal" who would pin something like this on a president, regardless of which political affiliation that president might have. Go easy on the straw men.

2009-12-21 10:13:53

#72

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5760|Ventura, California

Well we all know every thing is the presidents fault.

It's funny how each year people think the Prez is gona get better but they never do. They just stay exactly the same.

Ever notice how it's the people in charge who do nothing who are always loved?

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2009-12-21 15:42:01

#73

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6938|USA

mikkel wrote:
lowing wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Damn, how didn't we see it, it is Obama's fault this video link is unecrypted. This couldn't have happened under Bush.
At least under the Republicans there were no terrorist attacks on the US mainland, apart form 9/11 obviously.
Keeping us safe FTW.

Vote Democrat if you hate freedom.
I am loving this shit.

8 years of "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT" is now modified to: WELL, IT COULDA HAPPENED UNDER BUSH.

I will agree with you on one thing. "Vote democrat if you hate freedom", is as true as it gets.
It happened under Bush. It also happened under Clinton. Now it's happening under Obama. I honestly can't think of anyone of the people on this forum whom you define as being "liberal" who would pin something like this on a president, regardless of which political affiliation that president might have. Go easy on the straw men.

Uhhhhhhh, you are talking about the same crowd that pinned hurricanes on Bush, and his massive weather machine that is set to kill black people. so much for your theory.

2009-12-21 16:50:56

#74

mikkel: Member; +383|6888

lowing wrote:
mikkel wrote:
lowing wrote:

I am loving this shit.

8 years of "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT" is now modified to: WELL, IT COULDA HAPPENED UNDER BUSH.

I will agree with you on one thing. "Vote democrat if you hate freedom", is as true as it gets.
It happened under Bush. It also happened under Clinton. Now it's happening under Obama. I honestly can't think of anyone of the people on this forum whom you define as being "liberal" who would pin something like this on a president, regardless of which political affiliation that president might have. Go easy on the straw men.
Uhhhhhhh, you are talking about the same crowd that pinned hurricanes on Bush, and his massive weather machine that is set to kill black people. so much for your theory.

I don't recall reading those threads. Can you link them?

2009-12-23 03:25:27

#75

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6697|'Murka

Funny that they use the term "hacked" when no hacking was done.

Inflammatory reporting ftl.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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