Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5621|London, England
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenh … edges.html

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.
And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union – they have unions here – has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning.

At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.
Hope and Change my left nut.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
13rin
Member
+977|6742
Maybe Gore will impress us all with his poetic vision before "hooker time."
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
mcgid1
Meh...
+129|6979|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX
Yet another classic case of political "do as I say, not as I do".
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6895|949

mcgid1 wrote:

Yet another classic case of political "do as I say, not as I do".
Yep.  That's not change, it's more of the same!

Did you really fall for the 'Hope and Change' idea or are you one of those people that was waiting for Obama to be another lying politician so you could point and say, "see, I told you so"?

Either you are naive and gullible or spiteful.  Which one is it
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6789|Milkystania, yurop
yeah great summit, the trains are more packed than usual....I wonder how many of the participants will visit  Christiania

"Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio" LOL
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5621|London, England

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

mcgid1 wrote:

Yet another classic case of political "do as I say, not as I do".
Yep.  That's not change, it's more of the same!

Did you really fall for the 'Hope and Change' idea or are you one of those people that was waiting for Obama to be another lying politician so you could point and say, "see, I told you so"?

Either you are naive and gullible or spiteful.  Which one is it
Spiteful. I voted for McCain (despite Palin) The South Park episode after the election summed up my views perfectly
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5621|London, England
This is a damn good opinion article:
'I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Is it not obvious that the vision of apocalypse as it was revealed to Saint John of Patmos was, in fact, global warming?

Here's a partial rundown of some of the ills seriously attributed to climate change: prostitution in the Philippines (along with greater rates of HIV infection); higher suicide rates in Italy; the 1993 "Black Hawk Down" battle in Somalia; an increase in strokes and heart disease in China; wars in the Middle East; a larger pool of potential recruits to terrorism; harm to indigenous peoples and "biocultural diversity."

All this, of course, on top of the Maldives sinking under the waves, millions of climate refugees, a half-dozen Katrina-type events every year and so on and on—a long parade of horrors animating the policy ambitions of the politicians, scientists, climate mandarins and entrepreneurs now gathered at a U.N. summit in Copenhagen. Never mind that none of these scenarios has any basis in some kind of observable reality (sea levels around the Maldives have been stable for decades), or that the chain of causation linking climate change to sundry disasters is usually of a meaningless six-degrees-of-separation variety.

Still, the really interesting question is less about the facts than it is about the psychology. Last week, I suggested that funding flows had much to do with climate alarmism. But deeper things are at work as well.

One of those things, I suspect, is what I would call the totalitarian impulse. This is not to say that global warming true believers are closet Stalinists. But their intellectual methods are instructively similar. Consider:

• Revolutionary fervor: There's a distinct tendency among climate alarmists toward uncompromising radicalism, a hatred of "bourgeois" values, a disgust with democratic practices. So President Obama wants to cut U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 83% from current levels by 2050, levels not seen since the 1870s—in effect, the Industrial Revolution in reverse. Rajendra Pachauri, head of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, insists that "our lifestyles are unsustainable." Al Gore gets crowds going by insisting that "civil disobedience has a role to play" in strong-arming governments to do his bidding. (This from the man who once sought to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.)

• Utopianism: In the world as it is, climate alarmists see humanity hurtling toward certain doom. In the world as it might be, humanity has seen the light and changed its patterns of behavior, becoming the green equivalent of the Soviet "new man." At his disposal are technologies that defy the laws of thermodynamics. The problems now attributed to global warming abate or disappear.

• Anti-humanism: In his 2007 best seller "The World Without Us," environmentalist Alan Weisman considers what the planet would be like without mankind, and finds it's no bad thing. The U.N. Population Fund complains in a recent report that "no human is genuinely 'carbon neutral'"—its latest argument against children. John Holdren, President Obama's science adviser, cut his teeth in the policy world as an overpopulation obsessive worried about global cooling. But whether warming or cooling, the problem for the climate alarmists, as for other totalitarians, always seems to boil down to the human race itself.

• Intolerance: Why did the scientists at the heart of Climategate go to such lengths to hide or massage the data if truth needs no defense? Why launch campaigns of obstruction and vilification against gadfly Canadian researchers Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick if they were such intellectual laughingstocks? It is the unvarying habit of the totalitarian mind to treat any manner of disagreement as prima facie evidence of bad faith and treason.

• Monocausalism: For the anti-Semite, the problems of the world can invariably be ascribed to the Jews; for the Communist, to the capitalists. And as the list above suggests, global warming has become the fill-in-the-blank explanation for whatever happens to be the problem.

• Indifference to evidence: Climate alarmists have become brilliantly adept at changing their terms to suit their convenience. So it's "global warming" when there's a heat wave, but it's "climate change" when there's a cold snap. The earth has registered no discernable warming in the past 10 years: Very well then, they say, natural variability must be the cause. But as for the warming that did occur in the 1980s and 1990s, that plainly was evidence of man-made warming. Am I missing something here?

• Grandiosity: In "SuperFreakonomics," Steve Levitt and Stephen Dubner give favorable treatment to an idea to cool the earth by pumping sulfur dioxide into the upper atmosphere, something that could be done cheaply and quickly. Maybe it would work, or maybe it wouldn't. But one suspects that the main reason the chapter was the subject of hysterical criticism is that it didn't propose to deal with global warming by re-engineering the world economy. The penchant for monumentalism is yet another constant feature of the totalitarian mind.

Today, of course, the very idea of totalitarianism is considered passé. Yet the course of the 20th century was defined by totalitarian regimes, and it would be dangerous to assume that the habits of mind that sustained them have vanished into the mists. In Copenhagen, they are once again at play—and that, comrades, is no accident.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 94380.html

Sums up my views quite nicely.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6912

I agree it's ridiculous however in the unlikely event that they accomplish something, all the pollution they've created will be offset by the future good. It's not quite as bad as those huge concerts where there fly Bono 10 times around the world, and accomplish fuck all for climate change.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6884|London, England
Yeah, shit like this is pointless. It's not going to achieve anything anyway.
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6894|Finland

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yeah, shit like this is pointless. It's not going to achieve anything anyway.
This attitude has always taken mankind to a new level of understanding. Not.

"Fuck it, it'll never fly" - The Wright Brothers
"Moon? Nah, it'll never happen" - JFK

Let's wait until nothing has been accomplished after the summit, THEN bitch about it, IMHO.
I need around tree fiddy.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6368|eXtreme to the maX
One of those things, I suspect, is what I would call the totalitarian impulse. This is not to say that global warming true believers are closet Stalinists. But their intellectual methods are instructively similar.
All those methods apply to many movements besides Stalinism, Republicanism for example.
Fuck Israel
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5621|London, England

DonFck wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yeah, shit like this is pointless. It's not going to achieve anything anyway.
This attitude has always taken mankind to a new level of understanding. Not.

"Fuck it, it'll never fly" - The Wright Brothers
"Moon? Nah, it'll never happen" - JFK

Let's wait until nothing has been accomplished after the summit, THEN bitch about it, IMHO.
You got it backwards. Most of us would be bitching if anything DID come out of it. Nothing good can ever come out of an event like this. At least nothing the vast majority of human life would be happy about.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6884|London, England

JohnG@lt wrote:

DonFck wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yeah, shit like this is pointless. It's not going to achieve anything anyway.
This attitude has always taken mankind to a new level of understanding. Not.

"Fuck it, it'll never fly" - The Wright Brothers
"Moon? Nah, it'll never happen" - JFK

Let's wait until nothing has been accomplished after the summit, THEN bitch about it, IMHO.
You got it backwards. Most of us would be bitching if anything DID come out of it. Nothing good can ever come out of an event like this. At least nothing the vast majority of human life would be happy about.
No, I think it would be good if the world could clean up its act. Need to start somewhere to slowly pry ourselves off the reliance of fossil fuels (that's the endgame)

Why do you think the Saudi's and shit hate all this. Fuck them.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5621|London, England
COPENHAGEN -- U.S. pledges to cut carbon-dioxide emissions 17% by 2020 aren't ambitious enough, the Chinese lead negotiator at the climate-change talks said Tuesday, raising the pressure on rich nations to do more in reduction efforts and financial contribution to developing countries.

"We hope the U.S. will indeed bring a remarkable figure," Su Wei told a news conference during the second day of talks. "This figure cannot be regarded as remarkable."

The Chinese official also said that developed countries must provide money and technology for developing countries as they seek to limit their greenhouse-gas emissions and face the challenges of climate change. "They have the responsibility to provide financial support and technology transfer," he said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1260279 … Collection

Can anyone else see them giggling behind their hands as they make this announcement? They want us to cut our own throats, willingly.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6818
I'm not a climatologist, like pretty much all of us here, and as such I'm not qualified to make any kind of meaningful comment on the accuracy or validity of the position adopted by the majority of the scientific community. I am entitled to be sceptical however. I can also try to apply logic to infer whether there is some big conspiracy going on here as seems to be the suggestion of many sceptics. China, the biggest polluter on the planet and a totalitarian law unto itself pays lip service to man-made climate change, just as nearly every other nation on earth does, which begs the question: why? Are all of our governments out to get us? What's in it for them? Did they hold secret meetings in the basement of the UN like many might imagine happened in NASA HQ prior to and while the US 'faked the moon landing'? Something is not logical about the scepticism. I can't answer whether the climatologists are correct or not but the 'I'll buy ten SUVs if I want to buy ten SUVs' attitude of some people betrays a coarse entrenched closed-minded retardedness similar to the 9/11 and moon landing conspiracy theorists.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6928|NT, like Mick Dundee

Cam, its freakin obvious man. The governments want more power over your life. That's all. They hold secret meetings to form the NWO from the ashes of the non-carbon based economy with Obama's eldest daughter as queen, who at that point will have married into the long lost line of Romanovs. The ultimate plan being to use alien technology to fry your brain into being their slaves.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Iconic Irony
Bare Back Rough Rider
+189|5539|San Angelo, TX
Here is my problem with the whole thing:

Who the fuck cares?  After these climate change email scandels people are acting like all the sudden climate change is no longer a problem and we can relax.  WHY!?  Even if climate change is a big fat lie, why the fuck wouldn't you want clean air and water?  The issue is not, will the Earth burn up, or freeze up, rather to me it is why find out?  All the pollution in the world is not a good thing from any perspective, thats why we call it pollution.  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws to cut emissions?  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws that limit dumping waste in our waterways?

It seems to me the logical stance isn't "should we limit pollutants so the world doesn't end" as opposed to "should we limit pollutants because it would be benifical to every single person on the planet".
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6912

Iconic Irony wrote:

Here is my problem with the whole thing:

Who the fuck cares?  After these climate change email scandels people are acting like all the sudden climate change is no longer a problem and we can relax.  WHY!?  Even if climate change is a big fat lie, why the fuck wouldn't you want clean air and water?  The issue is not, will the Earth burn up, or freeze up, rather to me it is why find out?  All the pollution in the world is not a good thing from any perspective, thats why we call it pollution.  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws to cut emissions?  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws that limit dumping waste in our waterways?

It seems to me the logical stance isn't "should we limit pollutants so the world doesn't end" as opposed to "should we limit pollutants because it would be benifical to every single person on the planet".
Agreed. Thus far, science has explained that climate change is an issue, however if it turns out it isn't, why don't we want clean air/water/land? Fuck this stupid thinking of "Oh well Gore believes in climate change, therefore we have to emit as much pollution as possible".
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6844|SE London

JohnG@lt wrote:

DonFck wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yeah, shit like this is pointless. It's not going to achieve anything anyway.
This attitude has always taken mankind to a new level of understanding. Not.

"Fuck it, it'll never fly" - The Wright Brothers
"Moon? Nah, it'll never happen" - JFK

Let's wait until nothing has been accomplished after the summit, THEN bitch about it, IMHO.
You got it backwards. Most of us would be bitching if anything DID come out of it. Nothing good can ever come out of an event like this. At least nothing the vast majority of human life would be happy about.
What about Montreal?
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6831|Mountains of NC

JohnG@lt wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.
And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union – they have unions here – has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning.

At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.
Hope and Change my left nut.
*googles climate conference delegate's pass images * * print * * books flight * .................... fucking jackpot
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6937|Canberra, AUS

SEREMAKER wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.
And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union – they have unions here – has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning.

At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.
Hope and Change my left nut.
*googles climate conference delegate's pass images * * print * * books flight * .................... fucking jackpot
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6884|London, England

ghettoperson wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:

Here is my problem with the whole thing:

Who the fuck cares?  After these climate change email scandels people are acting like all the sudden climate change is no longer a problem and we can relax.  WHY!?  Even if climate change is a big fat lie, why the fuck wouldn't you want clean air and water?  The issue is not, will the Earth burn up, or freeze up, rather to me it is why find out?  All the pollution in the world is not a good thing from any perspective, thats why we call it pollution.  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws to cut emissions?  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws that limit dumping waste in our waterways?

It seems to me the logical stance isn't "should we limit pollutants so the world doesn't end" as opposed to "should we limit pollutants because it would be benifical to every single person on the planet".
Agreed. Thus far, science has explained that climate change is an issue, however if it turns out it isn't, why don't we want clean air/water/land? Fuck this stupid thinking of "Oh well Gore believes in climate change, therefore we have to emit as much pollution as possible".
Exactly, this isn't all about just making Al Gore rich and preventing the non-existent Global Warming as some believe. Like I said, the endgame is about stopping the use of unsustainable, dirty fossil fuels and powering the planet via other means. Pollution and Sustainability are the two major factors. There needs to be a drive towards efficiency too.

But I still think shit like this Summit is useless, the only way any change will happen is when we're forced to change, and that depends on individual countries. Or when Oil becomes so expensive that alternatives become a better prospect. Give it a decade or two and I can see it happening. We won't run out of Oil, we'll grow tired of paying so much for it.

I do think there's abit too much of an obsession with CO2 though. There's more to it than that. All this Carbon footprint nonsense, people need to look at the bigger picture.
13rin
Member
+977|6742

ghettoperson wrote:

Iconic Irony wrote:

Here is my problem with the whole thing:

Who the fuck cares?  After these climate change email scandels people are acting like all the sudden climate change is no longer a problem and we can relax.  WHY!?  Even if climate change is a big fat lie, why the fuck wouldn't you want clean air and water?  The issue is not, will the Earth burn up, or freeze up, rather to me it is why find out?  All the pollution in the world is not a good thing from any perspective, thats why we call it pollution.  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws to cut emissions?  Why wouldn't we want to pass laws that limit dumping waste in our waterways?

It seems to me the logical stance isn't "should we limit pollutants so the world doesn't end" as opposed to "should we limit pollutants because it would be benifical to every single person on the planet".
Agreed. Thus far, science has explained that climate change is an issue, however if it turns out it isn't, why don't we want clean air/water/land? Fuck this stupid thinking of "Oh well Gore believes in climate change, therefore we have to emit as much pollution as possible".
Never said that I wouldn't like to see a cleaner oceans and air (seriously, who wouldn't?) but-

Global warming is bullshit.  Using it as a vehicle to further an environmental movement is deceptive and makes the enviro crowd look like even bigger douches.  Any instance of "well Gore" you've seen from me is a jab at his retarded hypocritical lifestyle.  As a DU member/contributor -I've probably done more legit things to actually conserve/protect the environment than Al Gore and his morons have ever done.  God knows I haven't polluted the Earth as much as him.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6415|what

Spouting off that climate change is bullshit yet at the same time crying about the carbon footprint of the officials as they travel to Copenhagen from around the world makes you sound and look like a douche.

No offence.

Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-12-09 18:16:56)

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6863|132 and Bush

AussieReaper wrote:

Spouting off that climate change is bullshit yet at the same time crying about the carbon footprint of the officials as they travel to Copenhagen from around the world makes you sound and look like a douche.

No offence.
I think their point is .. if it were an issue, and you did believe it then why ____?
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