AussieReaper
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Dilbert_X wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOUFKZBpFTY

Actually my opinion of Rudd has improved based on this, not that it was skyhigh, and how exactly did this footage come to be leaked by the government? Thats the real question.
Leaked by some gillard supporters obviously. But I agree, it's increased the idea that rudd works hard and is serious about his shit.

But, he is a perfectionist and that was/is his main problem.
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Spark
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Nah, his main problem was that he was a micromanaging egomaniac who doesn't actually know how to run a party.
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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Holy Fuck, Rudd's resigned as Foreign Minister.

So this constant stream of leadership bullshit has come to a close. For now.

I wonder what the cause was. I suppose it would be a noble move in order to end leadership speculation but my money would be more on an unwillingness to take on Gillard in a leadership spill knowing that it just wouldn't turn out well for him, (meaning Gillard would have to sack him.) Even if he had a significant amount of support the marginals wouldn't support him as changing leaders again would be a suicidal move for Federal Labor. Not sure if there was any active scheming involved on Rudd's part to take back the leadership but it's a relief that perhaps we can move on to something else now.

(Until Simon Crean decides he wants to backstab Gillard - you heard it here first.)

Hell, Rudd might challenge her from the backbench. And win. And then fire her. That'd be a laugh. Seriously; in his resignation announcement he made Gillard look really really bad.
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Spark
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To a close?

The chances that he'll challenge within a week have just skyrocketed.
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~ Richard Feynman
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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Fair point, poor phrasing on my part. At least it's shaken things up a bit, it's been getting very boring.
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Dilbert_X
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Spark wrote:

Nah, his main problem was that he was a micromanaging egomaniac who doesn't actually know how to run a party.
That was a definite drawback to him being PM.
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Jaekus
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Spark wrote:

To a close?

The chances that he'll challenge within a week have just skyrocketed.
I thought so too.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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Although Rudd in his speech took the time to heavily criticise the process of the non-democratic removal of elected leaders, (citing his own removal,) and saying that such a thing should never happen again. It was a pretty strong denial that he would actively challenge the leadership.

But there are other ways and it will be curious to see if Kev has something else up his sleeve.
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Jaekus
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Yeah you might be right. He might leave politics altogether. I can kind of see him as being a bit like Latham in some regard, without the intense fuckwittedness.
Dilbert_X
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Rudd crony quits, forcing an election, Rudd strikes - seizes the leadership, gets re-elected - voila, democratic removal of elected leader.
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Spark
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Seriously doubt he'll leave politics.

Although...

Wayne Swan wrote:

Prime Minister Gillard and I and the overwhelming majority of our colleagues have been applyingour Labor values to the policy challenges in front of us and were succeeding despite tremendouspolitical obstacles.

For the sake of the labour movement, the Government and the Australians which it represents, wehave refrained from criticism to date.

However for too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader labour movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop.

The Party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people including our caucus colleagues. He sought to tear down the 2010 campaign, deliberately risking an Abbott Prime Ministership, and now he undermines the Government at every turn.He was the Partys biggest beneficiary then its biggest critic; but never a loyal or selfless example of its values and objectives.

For the interests of the labour movement and of working people, there is too much at stake in oureconomy and in the political debate for the interests of the labour movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any Labor values.

Julia has the overwhelming support of our colleagues. She is tough, determined, forward-looking,and has a good Labor heart. She has a consultative, respectful relationship with caucus while KevinRudd demeaned them. Shes cleaned up a lot of the mess he left her and has established a good,Labor agenda. Shes delivering major reforms, and getting things done that her predecessor couldnot. Colleagues are sick of Kevin Rudd driving the vote down by sabotaging policy announcementsand undermining our substantial economic successes.

The Labor Party is not about a person, its about a purpose. Thats something Prime Minister Gillardhas always known in her heart but something Kevin Rudd has never understood.

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AussieReaper
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Rudd may lose the leadership challenge, wait it out on the backbench then try in the future. Worked for Keating.

Win or lose, I just wish the media would focus on policy rather than this crap.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Spark
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May?

He'll get slaughtered barring something quite extraordinary in the next few days. (Gillard has jumpted and called for a spill ftr)

Last edited by Spark (2012-02-22 04:04:10)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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AussieReaper wrote:

Win or lose, I just wish the media would focus on policy rather than this crap.
Policy? Such as?
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Spark
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Gonski review, for example.

PHIR. NBN rollout. Budget balancing. Mental health reform rollout.

No shortage there...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Dilbert_X
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I don't know why they bother having these costly reviews, when they'll simply do whatever a focus group or voter survey tells them will be most popular.
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Spark
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I don't know why they bother at all as clearly nothing that they do or won't do will change your look-at-me-I'm-so-cool brand of faux cynicism.
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Dilbert_X
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I'm still right
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Jaekus
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't know why they bother having these costly reviews, when they'll simply do whatever a focus group or voter survey tells them will be most popular.
Because creating policy for the electorate is such a bad thing? Do you know how underfunded and needed mental health reform is in this country?
Jaekus
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The media is going nuts over this at the moment:

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/52172/gillard%20rudd.png

wat
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5472|Sydney
Ok, so it appears to be official now.

Gillard to call leadership spill
Cybargs
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Labour does know how to destroy itself. Man if only the Liberal party would kick Abbot off and have someone whos not a complete moron in charge, they'll win so many seats.
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Jaekus
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Rudd refuses to announce tilt at Labor leadership

But he does allude to it:

"Overnight I had many conversations with members of caucus and I must say I am pleased and encouraged by the support I have received," he said.

"They regard me as the best prospect to lead the Australian Labor Party successfully to the next elections, to save the Australian Labor Party at those elections, and to save the country from the ravages of an Abbott government."

...

"I do not believe that Prime Minister Gillard can lead the Australian Labor Party to success at the next election, that is a deep belief," he said.

"I believe it's a view also shared right across the Australian community."
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Cybargs wrote:

Labour does know how to destroy itself. Man if only the Liberal party would kick Abbot off and have someone whos not a complete moron in charge, they'll win so many seats.
bring back Turnbull
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Dilbert_X
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Jaekus wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't know why they bother having these costly reviews, when they'll simply do whatever a focus group or voter survey tells them will be most popular.
Because creating policy for the electorate is such a bad thing? Do you know how underfunded and needed mental health reform is in this country?
Of course it would be a good thing, if they did it and did it properly, I've seen very little of either lately.
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