Dilbert_X
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Also, no septics.
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13rin
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Hence my reply.
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Spark
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Still want to see massive, massive amounts of money poured into R&D tbh. That's our way out.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Price carbon properly, give tax breaks, profit.

I do not trust govt manage R+D.

I went to a talk on nuclear reactors, the guy's first line was "If the govt can't manage roof insulation, would you let them manage development of nuclear reactors?"
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13rin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Price carbon properly, give tax breaks, profit.

I do not trust govt manage R+D.

I went to a talk on nuclear reactors, the guy's first line was "If the govt can't manage roof insulation, would you let them manage development of nuclear reactors?"
That is funny...  You left the house... Rich! hahahaha!
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AussieReaper
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The roof insulation is such a stupid argument. It was the installers who were abusing the system and cutting corners. Nothing the govt. could have done to change that.

I'd like to see Abbott propose something of substance. His "Hulk SMASH!" on everything Gillard attempts is tiresome.
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Dilbert_X
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The govt set up a system where the installer licensing system was a joke and untrained and unskilled workers did the job.
Approving subsidies for foil insulation in lofts, with virtually no insulating properties but great electrical conductivity, was clueless at best.

That and a claims system where installers could claim for work not done on houses they'd never visited....

The govt set up a system which was wide open for abuse, thats the bottom line.
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Dilbert_X
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Not that I'm saying Abbott is better.....
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS

Dilbert_X wrote:

Price carbon properly, give tax breaks, profit.

I do not trust govt manage R+D.

I went to a talk on nuclear reactors, the guy's first line was "If the govt can't manage roof insulation, would you let them manage development of nuclear reactors?"
Who said manage R&D? The people managing R&D should be the same people who always manage R&D. The military, engineering firms and universities.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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If the govt is doling out cash they'll be directing where it goes and how it gets spent.
The military doesn't exactly have a stellar record ATM.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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The military does the bulk of R&D, everywhere. It's stupid to leave them out of the loop.

Anyway the "oh the government can't manage insulation, so we shouldn't have a focus on R&D" is exactly the kind of tired cynical line which wins superficial brownie points but is useless in reality.

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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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What development or large scale spending has the govt, of either side, managed well?
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS
So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
13rin
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Spark wrote:

So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
Can he even vote in your country?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6394|eXtreme to the maX

Spark wrote:

So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
Price carbon properly, give tax breaks, profit.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6394|eXtreme to the maX

13rin wrote:

Spark wrote:

So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
Can he even vote in your country?
Can you even vote?
Bet you can't buy beer.
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13rin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

13rin wrote:

Spark wrote:

So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
Can he even vote in your country?
Can you even vote?
Bet you can't buy beer.
I'll take that as an admitted 'no' on your behalf.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Take it as you like, you're wrong in this thread like every other.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS

Dilbert_X wrote:

Spark wrote:

So let's do nothing instead? Stupid argument.
Price carbon properly, give tax breaks, profit.
Meh. I still have this somewhat irrational dream of a drive to fusion, Manhattan-style.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS
Abridged details, in a neat infographic. Courtesy of ABC ofc

https://www.abc.net.au/news/events/climate-change/images/diagram/figures.jpg
https://www.abc.net.au/news/events/climate-change/images/diagram/gross-national-income.png

Last edited by Spark (2011-07-10 01:50:54)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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Is the tax free threshold really going to be $18,200?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS
Yes, apparently. I would wait before nailing that in though, because there's always a strong possibility of shenanigans around the side to make it $18 200 but dig a little deeper and...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5467|Sydney
Yeah of course. It will be interesting to see how the next few months pan out.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Tax is only 15c up to $37,000 now so chances are they'll just rejig it all so people still pay exactly the same, while getting a headline out of it.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6963|Canberra, AUS
In the end my baseline position - which is that a $23/tonne ct is a good plan - hasn't really changed today. I want to wait until I actually see the legislation and hear the second reading debate in the houses.

Last edited by Spark (2011-07-10 03:52:58)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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