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Shahter
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uziq wrote:

propaganda from whom? khrushchev?
among other, yes. khruschev build his whole post-stalin career on shitting on his predecessor.

please stop making out like criticisms and denunciations of stalin are western propaganda.
a lot of it is.

he presided over a society ruled by fear
no, he didn't. he was idolized by overwhelming majority of the people he ruled over, even huge smear campaign by khruschev couldn't change that.

and many artists rightfully feared for their lives.
many who didn't understand their role in ideological framework of a nation at war, yes. and many more who did understand that role fared very well under stalin - one even got a nobel prize for literature.

you call them 'fucktards'.
yep. fucking idiots.

how very revolutionary of you. never mind that many of the artists were revolutionaries themselves who had fallen foul of a foul-tempered and insecure tyrant.
supporting revolution with no understanding of that revolution doesn't mean much. in fact, it could be very well used by enemies of said revolution, as is the case with a lot of fucktards i'm talking about.

but ok, we are lost to 'propaganda'.
not totally lost. misled something awful, yes, but you'll get there.

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
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many who didn't understand their role in ideological framework of a nation at war, yes. and many more who did understand that role fared very well under stalin - one even got a nobel prize for literature.
wow you are one confused person. you brag about some soviet writer being given a nobel but then dismiss pasternak, who was a marxist-leninist and took an active role in the revolution, and who was also notably given a nobel prize but BANNED FROM ACCEPTING IT.

so is the nobel prize a brag-worthy sign of recognition or not? because the way the soviet union treated one of its best writers (in pasternak) is nothing short of a national disgrace. you can't have it both ways, shahter. 'oh, stalin was so great, this writer was even awarded a nobel prize!' lmao.
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It was part of a wider joint Australian special forces-US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) campaign targeting illicit drug operations that were financing the Taliban insurgency.

"We had done the drug raid, the Aussies actually did a pretty impressive job, wrangling all the prisoners up," Josh said.
Well there's the first mistake. Stopping heroin smuggling is important and all but what was the end goal of this raid in the first place? To charge some Afghans with drug dealing in their own country and legal system? Was a special forces air assault really necessary to give some Afghan guy 2 years in prison before the Taliban releases them in our peace deal? The whole thing was stupid. The fact that some guy got offed by the Australians should be the least controversial part of the story.
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yeah hence why i said heroes. they’re not even killing taliban prisoners out of combat. they’re literally chasing down and hog tying poppy farmers. those people are probably smacked out of their minds and half asleep. the afghan security forces were so god knows what the actual drug runners were into.

why the fuck are aussie special forces on the other side of the world murdering junkies?
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Because australia has a long and storied history of bootlicking america.
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at least the british got a good shout out in the article.
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uziq wrote:

why the fuck are aussie special forces on the other side of the world murdering junkies?
Its a mystery isn't it?

Why would western nations send their best young men half way round the world to prevent Afghans from producing opium, while at the same time allowing Israelis to produce all they want, use the medical system to cram hapless Americans full of opioids and remit the profits back to Israel?
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Larssen wrote:

Because australia has a long and storied history of bootlicking america.
Which is your tinpot nation America rescued after surrendering so meekly to the third reich?
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Jokes on you my granddad served in the wehrmacht

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He served the Germans in the Wehrmacht you mean?
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Yes dilbert. I grew up around the border region between liège and aachen. Most my family is/was germans.

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That explains a lot.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

why the fuck are aussie special forces on the other side of the world murdering junkies?
Its a mystery isn't it?

Why would western nations send their best young men half way round the world to prevent Afghans from producing opium, while at the same time allowing Israelis to produce all they want, use the medical system to cram hapless Americans full of opioids and remit the profits back to Israel?


are the sacklers 'israelis'? i thought they were american-british.
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n mid-September 2019, Purdue filed for bankruptcy in White Plains, New York, a few days after reaching a tentative settlement with state and local governments that were suing the company over the cost of the opioid epidemic.[57]

Many states refused the terms of the proposed August 2019 settlement and vowed to pursue further litigation to recover additional money, much of it alleged to be hidden offshore. These states contend the Sacklers knew litigants would be pursuing Purdue's funds and committed fraudulent conveyance. Whether or not a state had chosen to settle mostly fell along party lines, with Republican-led states choosing to settle.[58] Most of the wealth of the Sackler Family is not held in Purdue. States are seeking to hold individual family members personally liable for the costs of the opioid epidemic, regardless of Purdue's bankruptcy.[59][60]

A December 2019 audit from AlixPartners, hired by Purdue for guidance through Chapter 11 restructuring, said the Sacklers withdrew $10.7 billion from Purdue after the company began to receive legal scrutiny.
I'm sure they're Israeli now.
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Chinese state media has warned "Canberra only has itself to blame" in an editorial published on China Daily.

It comes after a Communist Party tabloid seemed to confirm unprecedented suspensions this week on seven Australian export products to China, including wine and coal, in a multi-billion-dollar blow.

The editorial accused Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison of "rash participation in the US administration's attempts to contain China".

"Canberra should realise it will get nothing from Washington in return for its collusion in its schemes, while Australia will pay tremendously for its misjudgement," the editorial said.

"With Australia mired in its worst recession in decades, it should steer clear of Washington's brinkmanship with China before it is too late.

"To put it simply, if Canberra continues to go out of its way to be inimical to China, it's choosing [of] sides will be a decision Australia will come to regret as its economy will only suffer further pain as China will have no choice but to look elsewhere if the respect necessary for cooperation is not forthcoming."

The import ban reportedly targets Australian lobsters, sugar, wine, coal, barley, timber and copper ore and concentrate, which would be a $5-6 billion blow to the value of Australian exports.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/ … n/12857988

Someone had to stand up to China, not sure why Australia had to go it alone. We'll find out who our friends are I guess.
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Its about time Aus went to the WTO, and China needs to lose its 'developing nation' status.
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as i've already mentioned elsewhere, china has declared a commitment to carbon neutrality in the next few decades, anyway.

probably won't be fast or soon enough from a realistic perspective, but the political werewithal is there.

china is probably the best-equipped state to pivot from one sort of economy to the next. certainly much easier to force the move from carbon/fossil-fuels to green technologies when you have a largely centrally controlled economy and state. the west's model of 'let's wait for market innovations to solve the ecological crisis' is not responding nearly fast enough. not until all the shale and tar sands have been rinsed will govts get the idea, methinks.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/17/gr … ope-japan/

maybe australia can start sending its young to china to work as nail technicians and masseuses?

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China is building coal-fired power stations faster than ever.

Anyhoo


Apparently Biden is interested in Australia's China Bat Flu response.
I would say the answers are:
Going very hard very early, locking down international travel and everything after that
A well behaved and educated population who were generally ahead of the govt
Effective contract tracing and mostly effective enforcement

Meanwhile Morrison going out on a limb and demanding a proper inquiry will probably cost Australia more than the bat-flu in the long run.
Most likely Australia had to decouple from China sometime and maybe sooner is better than later. Its going to be painful though, I guess we'll find out if we have any friends now.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n … rt-alleges

australian special forces responsible for murder of 39 civilians.

you know that when even the americans don't want to work with you any more, that you've got something seriously wrong.

Special forces were responsible for dozens of unlawful killings, the vast majority of which involved prisoners, and were deliberately covered up.

    Thirty-nine Afghans were unlawfully killed in 23 incidents, either by special forces or at the instruction of special forces.

    None of the killings took place in the heat of battle, and they all occurred in circumstances which, if accepted by a jury, would constitute the war crime of murder.

    All the victims were either non-combatants or were no longer combatants.

    A total of 25 perpetrators have been identified either as principals or accessories. Some are still serving in the ADF.

In all cases, the report finds it “was or should have been plain that the person killed was a non-combatant”. The vast majority of victims had been captured and were under control, giving them the protection under international law.

Some of the incidents described in the report are deeply troubling. Evidence suggests junior soldiers were instructed by their superiors to execute prisoners in cold blood as part of a “blooding” process to give them their first kill.

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Aside the above it's a bit hilarious that there is a definition of murder as a war crime if war is pretty much all about murder.

It's increasingly obvious that generals have diverted their efforts into airstrikes and drone strikes as this avoids people getting caught up in the messy reality of civil war insurgencies. Fighting in an environment where your opponents are civilians by day and enemy combatants by night is stressful and legally complicated.

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of course war is all about murder but there have been rules of engagement and a 'code' to warfare for time immemorial. this cannot be news to you if you studied international relations, really, from the professionalization of armies onwards in the 17th and 18th centuries.

plus it's a bit hard for the west to justify its 'moral crusade' against 'islamist extremism' when it sends a bunch of impressionable young men abroad to slaughter civilians for bloodsport.

you can read some of the individual reports and studies about aussie special forces. this is not a case of 'complex modern warfare'. it's a case of an out-of-control special forces unit who were routinely executing old men or 'suspected informants' etc pretty much wantonly. the US rangers and UK special forces both reported this behaviour and warned about their conduct. if it was just the ordinary confusion of fighting an insurgency, it probably wouldn't be complained about and greeted with distaste by fellow soldiers.

why are you so eager to exonerate soldiers who have been condemned by their own official government inquiry?

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Yes, dropping 1,000lb bombs and Hellfire missiles to take out entire villages is OK, sending operators in who might be dumb enough to video themselves killing one person isn't.

Obviously this is unacceptable, these guys will be going to prison. The Aus SAS was clearly out of control, still probably comes down to 4-5 individuals throwing their weight around and inveigling many others, but the whole chain of command was aware of what was going on so they're equally culpable. Reports have been filtering through almost since day one.

I'm still not sure what it is we think we went into Afghanistan for and what we think we're doing there now, it seems the soldiers don't know why they're there or what they should be doing.

If 'Generation Kill' is anything to go by the average American soldier in Iraq was involved in plenty of wanton civilian deaths for which they'll never face even mild criticism, never mind all the people killed remotely by drones and cruise missiles. In an illegal war every death is a crime after all.
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the entire paradigm of such weapons is 'precision armaments'. of course civilians still get killed but it's at least notionally about targeting enemy combatants, not murdering innocent civilians.

there is a debate to be had about the ethics of modern warfare, for sure, and the issue is much deeper than just this australian case. drone warfare, precision missiles, etc. do raise natural questions about the nature and ethics of killing.

but aussie special forces were literally executing captured prisoners in 'initiation rituals'. it's straight-up culpable murder.
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Dropping bombs from 20,000 ft on peaceful Afghans isn't much different, they never even get a chance to surrender.
It just doesn't make the news.
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